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I'm not here to stir the pot. I just have one simple question and I'm interested in what people have to say. How are you so trusting of this staff? Don't get me wrong, I like CBJ and hope he succeeds, but I just haven't found the blind optimism some of you have.

After seeing Fulmer lose his fire, after being bent over by Kiffin, after the wreck that was Dooley, how do you dismiss that and move on to the next guy and name him the new savior of UT football before he's really proven anything? Yes, he currently has a hot recruiting class, but NSD is 5 months away. Yes, we've seen good things on the field in the first two games, but they were subpar opponents.

I'm not trying to be a nega-vol, but I'm not convinced that CBJ is the answer yet. I certainly hope he is, but I had the same hope with Kiffin, and the same hope with Dooley, and neither panned out so well.

And the reason I bring this up is the newest commit. Reading through that thread, so many posters keep saying "I trust the coaches". When others question, they get flamed, or called negavols. At this point, why shouldn't people have some doubt? We're about to enter the meat of our schedule. How the rest of the season pans out will answer the questions of CBJ's on-field ability. When NSD arrives, and the letters are sent in, we'll truly see how well he recruits. Why is it bad to hold back until we see what happens? I will always support the team, but coaches are not the team. Coaches need to prove themselves IMO. Is that too high of an expectation?

I know some will probably just flame away. Whatever, yours is not the opinion I want to hear. I want to hear straight, honest answers from posters that will actually talk rather than insult. So please, just explain to me how it is you can just totally buy into a new coach after what we've been through the last several years.
 
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Good question. Best answer I've seen is that he's the only one of the past three who has won conference championships before coming here. In fact he's the only one with even a winning record as a head coach.

I am soooo tired of the Eric Fisher references though.
 
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Last year we got a 2* CB that is on the 2-deep and has made some pass break ups in the first two games.

Edit: specifically referring on today's commit
 
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Unlike Kiffin and Dooley, Jones is a proven winner. He encourages former players to visit and be involved. He has proven he has an eye for finding talent. I mean he did find 2* Eric Fisher who ended up being the #1 draft pick. He's energetic and loves the program and the tradition and everything that comes with it. Other coaches respect him. Our current players who have been here since the Kiffin days like Jones the most. He has brought energy back into the program. How can you not believe he will turn us around?

And he found Weatherd before any other big programs. Weatherd is now a 4* with offers from Oklahoma, Bama and TAMU
 
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IMO, it's because CBJ has a proven track record, which is something neither Kiffin or Dooley had. His passion and experience are definitely a welcome change. Plus, of course, he gets it.
 
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Butch is the real deal. He came to UT with a winning record and a strong upside. His two predecessors did not and were nothing more than poseurs by comparison.
 
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After watching the first two games, I thinks it's pretty obvious the players are so much better coached than with the previous staff. And Butch wants to be here. This is his destination stop.
 
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Everything he has done up to this point has been spot on. Until I see otherwise I will trust him. The "how" for me is simple: Because I'm a diehard Vols fan...
 
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Because we all are dying for someone to bring us back. He had a winning record and has won championships, which makes it even easier to believe. Plus, he has us at the top in recruiting, something that we haven't seen in a LONG time.
 
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Weezer is the newest member of the NegaVol cult. Nega-Vol! Nega-Vol! Nega-Vol!
Rivers Cuomo would be ashamed if he knew how his band's likeness was being represented! The next Weezer album will be the Orange album. Means the real Weezer are VFLs. But you're just a NEGAVOL!!!!









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J/k Weezer. Great post. I just had to be that guy for once.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm not here to stir the pot. I just have one simple question and I'm interested in what people have to say. How are you so trusting of this staff? Don't get me wrong, I like CBJ and hope he succeeds, but I just haven't found the blind optimism some of you have.

After seeing Fulmer lose his fire, after being bent over by Kiffin, after the wreck that was Dooley, how do you dismiss that and move on to the next guy and name him the new savior of UT football before he's really proven anything? Yes, he currently has a hot recruiting class, but NSD is 5 months away. Yes, we've seen good things on the field in the first two games, but they were subpar opponents.

I'm not trying to be a nega-vol, but I'm not convinced that CBJ is the answer yet. I certainly hope he is, but I had the same hope with Kiffin, and the same hope with Dooley, and neither panned out so well.

And the reason I bring this up is the newest commit. Reading through that thread, so many posters keep saying "I trust the coaches". When others question, they get flamed, or called negavols. At this point, why shouldn't people have some doubt? We're about to enter the meat of our schedule. How the rest of the season pans out will answer the questions of CBJ's on-field ability. When NSD arrives, and the letters are sent in, we'll truly see how well he recruits. Why is it bad to hold back until we see what happens? I will always support the team, but coaches are not the team. Coaches need to prove themselves IMO. Is that too high of an expectation?

I know some will probably just flame away. Whatever, yours is not the opinion I want to hear. I want to hear straight, honest answers from posters that will actually talk rather than insult. So please, just explain to me how it is you can just totally buy into a new coach after what we've been through the last several years.
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Quit living in the past and open your eyes, you'll be amazed at what you see.
 
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I'm not trying to be a nega-vol, but I'm not convinced that CBJ is the answer yet. I certainly hope he is, but I had the same hope with Kiffin, and the same hope with Dooley, and neither panned out so well.

Kiffin had an arrogance about him from day 1 and acted like a used car salesman. All fluff and pomp. Nothing of substance.

Dooley had an entitlement mentality about him. He acted as if all he had to do was tell the players what to do and they would do it for him.

Neither had possession of leadership quality from the start. Jones came in and his first task as he said was to win the trust of the players. I think he has done that and he a quiet confidence about him and his system. He's not playing it off the cuff. Only time will tell but there is an obvious difference in the product on the field. Yes its only been against a couple of patsies but the discipline is there and the obvious 2nd half adjustments against WKU showed the ability of the coaches to coach em up. This week we'll see how far we are talent wise against a great football team and (if we loose) how Jones handles that adversity and uses it as a teaching moment for his players.
 
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He hasn't done anything to warrant not trusting him. Has had several lowly ranked players who turned out to be studs. He has a track record of seeing talent, but more importantly, developing that talent. We have a highly ranked class, a couple projects won't hurt us any. If these coaches see something in a couple kids a year, I'm all for it. Look around the country, it happens everywhere. It's how good you are at developing that raw talent.

The latest example that would be Weatherd. He was a unheard of in the recruiting game, people moaned and groaned when he committed. Now he holds offers from Bama, A&M, Oklahoma.

So why not trust him?
 
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vollygirl said:
He hasn't given me a reason not to trust him.
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Agreed. Reference all the things listed in above posts and besides, it takes so much more energy to be skeptical. I use up a lot of my skepticism energy when I read the news, so when I get to VN I am ready for something positive. So until he proves me wrong, I choose to get him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm not here to stir the pot. I just have one simple question and I'm interested in what people have to say. How are you so trusting of this staff? Don't get me wrong, I like CBJ and hope he succeeds, but I just haven't found the blind optimism some of you have.


I'm not trying to be a nega-vol, but I'm not convinced that CBJ is the answer yet. I certainly hope he is, but I had the same hope with Kiffin, and the same hope with Dooley, and neither panned out so well.


So please, just explain to me how it is you can just totally buy into a new coach after what we've been through the last several years.
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The question is not how but WHY.
Why is it that people keep trying to compare CBJ and his staff to Kiffen and Dooley and their staffs? It's easy to look back now and see what they did or didn't do and state that they were sorry excuses for coaches including the fact that they were losers when they came here. I don't think that most of us have "blind optimism" like you claim. We are seeing actual changes that are being made by CBJ. Listen to what former players are saying about him after they visit the practices and watch what's going on. Listen to what recruits are saying and why they are committing to UT. Look at the difference in some current players, they have lost fat and added muscle and stamina.
So all you need to do is open your eyes and ears, you will see the difference. Why don't you try that?
 
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I don't see anything wrong with taking a wait and see approach. I have high hopes for CBJ but I also understand the task at hand. Also, it is difficult to simply forget about the last two hires.

Coach has done everything right to this point, and I mean everything thing, but he still has a difficult row to hoe.

Again nothing wrong with reserving judgment, (big difference from being unfairly critical) until he's proven it on the field. IMO
 
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I guess another question is why would you trust the recruiting services so much? What makes their evaluation of talent better than your coaching staff. Have you seen every player in our class play and had discussions how a player would fit in UT's system? It's amazing how some get so wrapped up in "stars".
 
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I've seen enough out of him to know that being a big supporter is not just being a blind homer. We have an actual football coach now.

I was in wait and see mode on him...when he was first hired. If you haven't seen enough by now you may need to get a better understanding of the game and more realistic expectations. I guess he could've talked the AP into having us ranked before the season? I can't thing of a single thing he has not done spectacularly up to this point. Including coming in to mixed fanfare from us and shutting most people up (me included) and converting them to believers.

I'm realistic but I don't go around looking for reasons not to be onboard.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm not here to stir the pot. I just have one simple question and I'm interested in what people have to say. How are you so trusting of this staff? Don't get me wrong, I like CBJ and hope he succeeds, but I just haven't found the blind optimism some of you have.

After seeing Fulmer lose his fire, after being bent over by Kiffin, after the wreck that was Dooley, how do you dismiss that and move on to the next guy and name him the new savior of UT football before he's really proven anything? Yes, he currently has a hot recruiting class, but NSD is 5 months away. Yes, we've seen good things on the field in the first two games, but they were subpar opponents.

I'm not trying to be a nega-vol, but I'm not convinced that CBJ is the answer yet. I certainly hope he is, but I had the same hope with Kiffin, and the same hope with Dooley, and neither panned out so well.

And the reason I bring this up is the newest commit. Reading through that thread, so many posters keep saying "I trust the coaches". When others question, they get flamed, or called negavols. At this point, why shouldn't people have some doubt? We're about to enter the meat of our schedule. How the rest of the season pans out will answer the questions of CBJ's on-field ability. When NSD arrives, and the letters are sent in, we'll truly see how well he recruits. Why is it bad to hold back until we see what happens? I will always support the team, but coaches are not the team. Coaches need to prove themselves IMO. Is that too high of an expectation?

I know some will probably just flame away. Whatever, yours is not the opinion I want to hear. I want to hear straight, honest answers from posters that will actually talk rather than insult. So please, just explain to me how it is you can just totally buy into a new coach after what we've been through the last several years.
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I don't think it's bad to hold back until you see what happens, it's certainly your prerogative to do as you please. I'm just the type of person that won't hang my head and feel sorry for myself, and I choose to get behind him (them) and support them until they prove to me that I shouldn't. IMO they've certainly done all the right things to this point, so it's not like it's blind optimism, I can see the writing on the walls and I've been thoroughly impressed thus far.
 
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