How must win is the fl game for jones

[SigSaurP228]

How is life in LaLa Land?

Short of Jones dropping the ball seriously and going 5-7 in back to back seasons he won't go anywhere. UT admin will allow mediocre seasons and keep him until at least the end of his buyout. We aren't going to pay another buyout unless it is well warranted. CBJ is a mediocre enough coach to pull 6/6 seasons with at worst a bottom tier bowl appearance.

 

[checkerboards09]

Bud: Tennessee’s 2017 recruiting class is potentially in danger of trending down, though, if Tennessee doesn’t get a marquee win or two. The Vols have 25 commitments, and while some are probably underrated, only four of the 25 are rated four- or five-stars. Tennessee needs to be bringing in more elite players than it does good ones, and if Tennessee goes 9-3 or 8-4 again, it’s hard to see that happening.

This is WHY I believe that the Florida game is a MUST, MUST, MUST win....But honestly--we SHOULD be undefeated in the SEC East this year in order to begin landing more of those ELITE recruits required to get us into the Playoff....

I personally think we finish 10-2 with losses to aTm and Bama.

GO VOLS!

Trey Smith and DeAngelo Gibbs will be there from the '17 class and that's just off the top of my head. That's a 5 and 4 star right there. There will also be many others. Hell yes it's an important game.

 

[sjt18]

Winning the SEC EAST should be the goal. Winning this game helps with that. Losing it and they have to depend on others for help.

This entire thread is driven by the few on here that want a loss so that they can continue to belittle the coaching staff and team in hopes that a new coach is going to ride in and save the day.

This constant whining is getting old.

Jones lost to UF led by Muschamp 2 times. The first loss was to a UF team that went 4-8. The last two years were late collapses that can be tied significantly to poor coaching strategy and a lack of confidence by Jones in his players.

After hearing excuse makers like you drone on and on about how Jones couldn't be expected to win winnable games because he didn't have HIS players or time to install HIS system... We saw McElwain win the East with a horrible QB situation and a whole team of players that weren't his.

Jones now has the rare opportunity of coaching a UT team that is probably a tad more talented, experienced, and deep than UF.

If he loses to them again then he DESERVES whatever "belittling" he gets. He's earned it by demonstrating again that he cannot compete against a good coach with a comparable or even better roster.

 

[sjt18]

Well according to Jones on 104.5 last night, this is just another game and they're all must win. He also said its 'absurd' to say the season would be a bust if we lost to Florida. You keep telling yourself that Jones. See how soon you're packing your bags if you don't start beating Florida and Alabama.

UT got rid of Majors in large measure because he couldn't beat Bama consistently enough (yeah, I know there were other things).

Jones is delusional if he thinks he can continue to lose to the big 3 almost all the time and survive.

 

[sjt18]

I don't think there's any one game that's make or break. It certainly be a good way showing how far the program has progressed under Jones and a major statement from the players, but you can still lose and look pretty.

You cannot lose to a team that you should beat and "look pretty"... especially after last year's debacle.

 

[JuicyBrucey]

If Jones and Debord go full RETARD and throw those sideways passes on 2nd down and 3rd and long on back to back plays like they did against Ohio, they can pack their **** up and go the Hell back to wherever they came from.

 

[BeardedVol]

Winning the SEC EAST should be the goal. Winning this game helps with that. Losing it and they have to depend on others for help.

This entire thread is driven by the few on here that want a loss so that they can continue to belittle the coaching staff and team in hopes that a new coach is going to ride in and save the day.

This constant whining is getting old.

As soon as Butch starts putting together a winning game plan, and developing the talent he has recruited, he'll stop being belittled by everyone.

This is Butch's season so show he can coach. We lose Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara after this year, and our offense goes back to rebuilding, and we do not have experienced players to plug into the system.

Losing to Florida, pretty much ends any possibility that we win the east. Not winning the east this year, would be a step back for the program.

 

[Sarms58]

If Jones and Debord go full RETARD and throw those sideways passes on 2nd down and 3rd and long on back to back plays like they did against Ohio, they can pack their **** up and go the Hell back to wherever they came from.

Against the Gators those are likely to be a pick 6...we've got some height and some athletic players so we should be able to complete some stuff down field...

 

[Wylo]

It is the biggest game in his 3+ years here.

He better find a way to not screw it up.

 

[24/7vol]

I'll be glad when we walk out of Neyland..ended the streak and can have a few beers discussing how if Butch don't beat UGA he should be fired. Right?

 

[Backwards K]

Im not a jones pumper like some, i would prob be lumped in with the nega side most often but this was interesting....

Fulmer won the SEC East in six of his 17 seasons. He was 5-12 against Florida, going 2-1 against Ron Zook, 0-4 against Urban Meyer and 3-7 against Steve Spurrier. And while he had an 11-6 record against Georgia, he was just 3-5 against Mark Richt.

The SEC East’s best coaches during Fulmer’s time all owned him. He went 8-2 against Alabama coaches Mike Dubose, Dennis Franchione, and Mike Shula, but just 2-4-1 against Gene Stallings and Nick Saban. If you’re scoring at home, that is a combined record of 8-20-1 against Meyer, Spurrier (at Florida), Richt, Stallings, and Saban (at Alabama).

Most Vols' fans would love to still be going to the SECCG an average of at least once every 3 years.

 

[sjt18]

As soon as Butch starts putting together a winning game plan, and developing the talent he has recruited, he'll stop being belittled by everyone.

Absolute truth.

This is Butch's season so show he can coach. We lose Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara after this year, and our offense goes back to rebuilding, and we do not have experienced players to plug into the system.

Don't buy that excuse.

There is no reason at all if they are developing talent that the OL shouldn't be much better next year. I am personally anxious to see what CFA, Kelly, and Chandler can do. Whoever wins the starting job at QB will be a better pure passer than Dobbs. Receivers should be talented and experienced.

Next year's O will have grown up in Jones' system from their first day on campus. There should NOT be a significant drop off.

Losing to Florida, pretty much ends any possibility that we win the east. Not winning the east this year, would be a step back for the program.

Again, plain truth.

 

[sjt18]

I'll be glad when we walk out of Neyland..ended the streak and can have a few beers discussing how if Butch don't beat UGA he should be fired. Right?

One game at a time....

Frankly he should beat UGA too.... but he earns some rope back if he ends the UF streak.

 

[sjt18]

Im not a jones pumper like some, i would prob be lumped in with the nega side most often but this was interesting....

Fulmer won the SEC East in six of his 17 seasons. He was 5-12 against Florida, going 2-1 against Ron Zook, 0-4 against Urban Meyer and 3-7 against Steve Spurrier. And while he had an 11-6 record against Georgia, he was just 3-5 against Mark Richt.

The SEC East’s best coaches during Fulmer’s time all owned him. He went 8-2 against Alabama coaches Mike Dubose, Dennis Franchione, and Mike Shula, but just 2-4-1 against Gene Stallings and Nick Saban. If you’re scoring at home, that is a combined record of 8-20-1 against Meyer, Spurrier (at Florida), Richt, Stallings, and Saban (at Alabama).

You will never see an argument from me that UT doesn't need a better coach than Fulmer to take the program to being a constant threat to win the SEC.

When you get time, compare Fulmer's results with and without Cut as his OC.

 

[MFL]

No change with loss. Folks fill neyland to party and winning is secondary. Want be much money lost if tv crowd tunes out Vols, I do think the fans that go expect a bowl for one more party. He must win seven each year for that to happen. Jones is anchored down.

 

[BeardedVol]

Absolute truth.

Don't buy that excuse.

There is no reason at all if they are developing talent that the OL shouldn't be much better next year. I am personally anxious to see what CFA, Kelly, and Chandler can do. Whoever wins the starting job at QB will be a better pure passer than Dobbs. Receivers should be talented and experienced.

Next year's O will have grown up in Jones' system from their first day on campus. There should NOT be a significant drop off.

Again, plain truth.

I'm not saying that whomever gets the nod to replace those guys are going to be bad, but they are going to be inexperienced, and we are going to go through some pains.

As far as the oline goes, as long as Mahoney is here, I'm not sure that growing up in this system is actually beneficial.

 

[VolsRule]

butch will get 2-3 more years even if he loses to florida, as long as he wins 7-8 games---he's still dealing with the dooley disaster

 

[BeardedVol]

---he's still dealing with the dooley disaster

 

[SteelerVol]

butch will get 2-3 more years even if he loses to florida, as long as he wins 7-8 games---he's still dealing with the dooley disaster

Tomorrow has absolutely nothing to do with Dooley.

This is a game that separates the men coaches from the boy coaches. Jones can either coach SEC football or he can't coach SEC football.

Right about this time tomorrow we'll all have a pretty good idea.

 

[TJ1985]

If we want to compete for or actually win the East, this game is a must win.

 

[jbr82]

I'm not saying that whomever gets the nod to replace those guys are going to be bad, but they are going to be inexperienced, and we are going to go through some pains.

As far as the oline goes, as long as Mahoney is here, I'm not sure that growing up in this system is actually beneficial.

May be pains may not be much pain. TN did well with fr QBs in 2004. Other teams do well with first yr starters. What concerns me is the coaching development. Have to see it to believe it for me

 

[sjt18]

butch will get 2-3 more years even if he loses to florida, as long as he wins 7-8 games---he's still dealing with the dooley disaster

That's one of the more ridiculous things posted here in a very long time.... and could not be further from the truth. AS A RULE, the top tier coaches turn "disasters" around in less than 4 years. Look at Petrino for a current example.

 

[sjt18]

I'm not saying that whomever gets the nod to replace those guys are going to be bad, but they are going to be inexperienced, and we are going to go through some pains.

Why? Every year programs plug in Jrs to replace lost players and do just fine. Many, oh the horror, play younger players and are still successful. So why can't Jones?

As far as the oline goes, as long as Mahoney is here, I'm not sure that growing up in this system is actually beneficial.

As long as Jones is here.... that's the way the OL coach is going to teach regardless of what his name is.