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donsargegolf

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How much longer is the VN going to take this inability to score? Minus the LSU game, and shut out for half of it, our offense has scored Fla-7, Mississippi-7, Georgia-7(late) and Alabama-3 for a total of 24 points in four games. Players made mistakes but, at what point are the coaches responsible for their performance? I say now! Great job Coach Cavis and the entire Volunteer Defense. Randy and the offensive staff can hit the road!!!!! :banghead:
 

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And sorry for the double post but, thousands of Confederate Soldiers died at Gettysburg because of poor decision making by Gen. Lee. The same thing is happening to our offense. Penalties, turnovers and lack of execuition lies on Fulmer and the Offensive staff!
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 23, 2005 10:54 AM
And sorry for the double post but, thousands of Confederate Soldiers died at Gettysburg because of poor decision making by Gen. Lee. The same thing is happening to our offense. Penalties, turnovers and lack of execuition lies on Fulmer and the Offensive staff!
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Sarge, I think the other defenses are reading our plays or we are tipping them off. Witness the reverse with Taylor, the Bama DE was just standing there like he knew exactly what was going to happen. There were rumors a few years when Kelly Washington was playing that this was the case. Obviously this is the fault of the coaches on offense. Again we let a inferior team talent wise hang around long enough to hit a long play and score with not enough time on the clock for us to retaliate. I agree if PF will not fire or demote RS then he must go. And soon.
 
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Oct 23, 2005 12:11 PM
Sarge, I think the other defenses are reading our plays or we are tipping them off. Witness the reverse with Taylor, the Bama DE was just standing there like he knew exactly what was going to happen. There were rumors a few years when Kelly Washington was playing that this was the case. Obviously this is the fault of the coaches on offense. Again we let a inferior team talent wise hang around long enough to hit a long play and score with not enough time on the clock for us to retaliate.  I agree if PF will not fire or demote RS then he must go. And soon.
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Yeah I remember that,it was a certain way that Washington would be in his stance that would give the play away.I am sick as hell too at the lack of points we put on the boards.It's getting very obvious that the defense produces and offense does not.When will it ever change.
 
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It will change when we have a QB that is able to deliver the ball.

It will change when we can line up at the four yard line and score without calling audibles at the line and playing scared.

It will change when our receivers can catch the ball.

It will change when we have coaches who develop players.

Therefore, it may never change. I sure hope it does. Go Vols.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 23, 2005 1:34 PM
It will change when we can line up at the four yard line and score without calling audibles at the line and playing scared.
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That is something that drives me insane!! Tennessee checks more than any football team that I know of.

Sometimes when you are on the 5 yardline and in a hostile environment like ALABAMA, they should just line up and run the freaking play. :banghead: :banghead:
 
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Oct 23, 2005 12:11 PM
Sarge, I think the other defenses are reading our plays or we are tipping them off. Witness the reverse with Taylor, the Bama DE was just standing there like he knew exactly what was going to happen. There were rumors a few years when Kelly Washington was playing that this was the case. Obviously this is the fault of the coaches on offense. Again we let a inferior team talent wise hang around long enough to hit a long play and score with not enough time on the clock for us to retaliate.  I agree if PF will not fire or demote RS then he must go. And soon.
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Randy does not realize you must change your audibles several times a season. Yep, the WORLD knows what we are doing, and RS does not!
 
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I agree OWB. I think it causes too much confusion.
 
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Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 23, 2005 2:43 PM
I agree OWB. I think it causes too much confusion.
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You know it does. Why we didn't just line up and run the ball is beyond me. If we didn't get to the endzone, fine kick the FG.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 23, 2005 1:45 PM
You know it does.  Why we didn't just line up and run the ball is beyond me.  If we didn't get to the endzone, fine kick the FG.
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This conversation is on the OFFENSIVE coaches as well.
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 23, 2005 2:47 PM
This conversation is on the OFFENSIVE coaches as well.
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Well, I thought that for the most part the gameplan was there Sarge. Fulmer went into bama and basically said, we're gonna run this ball down your throat and play good defense.....so why did we stop running when we got down to the endzone? I think that Foster could have scored given his passion he showed earlier.

There were some shabby call as well. Like the endaround on 2nd and 6 for starters. That was just ignorant.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 23, 2005 1:52 PM
Well, I thought that for the most part the gameplan was there Sarge.  Fulmer went into bama and basically said, we're gonna run this ball down your throat and play good defense.....so why did we stop running when we got down to the endzone?  I think that Foster could have scored given his passion he showed earlier.

There were some shabby call as well.  Like the endaround on 2nd and 6 for starters.  That was just ignorant.
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The lack of discipline we see in our players is also evident in our play calling!
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 23, 2005 2:56 PM
The lack of discipline we see in our players is also evident in our play calling!
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Well, I'm not going to argue with that. There certainly is a lack of something.
 
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Lets not forget about our miserable special teams. They have consistently given us poor field position, committed turnovers, given up big plays, committed penalties on our few big plays, etc. etc.

We might as well throw out the General's maxims, our special teams play is an insult to them.
 
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The general also rolls over every time a so called, passing beyond the line of scrimmage, senior qb has to call a timeout to avoid the delay of game.
 
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Originally posted by Vol 4 Life@Oct 23, 2005 3:08 PM
Lets not forget about our miserable special teams.  They have consistently given us poor field position,


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Well, Taylor had a couple of good returns but that was about it. But still, I guess it's better than nothing. Turnovers and penalties continue.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 23, 2005 1:49 PM
The general also rolls over every time a so called, passing beyond the line of scrimmage, senior qb has to call a timeout to avoid the delay of game.
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All that checking off catches up to you eventually. I've always figured that was RS's lack of confidence in HIMSELF. It's been so long that I can't remember - does Ainge do as much checking as RC does?
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 23, 2005 1:42 PM
That is something that drives me insane!!  Tennessee checks more than any football team that I know of. 

Sometimes when you are on the 5 yardline and in a hostile environment like ALABAMA, they should just line up and run the freaking play. :banghead:  :banghead:
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I've thought about that and well, you know how great backs or recievers are given a bigger cushion because of their reputation? Here I think the opposite is true...checking off on almost every play sends the message to the opposition that our offense is weak, unprepared, inept..you lable it. This makes them more confident in attacking the line of scrimmage with defensive penetration causing all kinds of disruption to an offense already plagued with bad execution. any1 agree?
 
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wow I thought the above post was at the heart of the current offensive problem the vols face...and not 1 reply. does no 1 see this point? :banghead:
 
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Originally posted by dan4vols@Oct 24, 2005 1:14 AM
wow I thought the above post was at the heart of the current offensive problem the vols face...and not 1 reply.  does no 1 see this point? :banghead:
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I just don't know the reasoning behind checking almost EVERY play so I have no idea. I understand why QB's check and get the overall strategy and sometimes it works, but when I watch other teams play, nobody seems to do it half as much as we do. So you could be right dan.

The only thing that comes to my mind is that our offense is based on what the defense gives us. That's a fact. So my guess would be that almost every play the defense gives us something, they wait and move, causing us to check and run the playclock down. Other times, Sanders wants to see what the defense gives us and call something else.

I think the philosophy of taking what the D gives, only goes so far. With that philosophy doesn't it mean that D can move around a possibly force a timeout or delay of game if they try really hard??
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 24, 2005 12:25 AM
I just know the reasoning behind checking every play so I have no idea.  I understand why QB's check sometimes, but when I watch other teams play, nobody seems to do it half as much as we do.  So you could be right dan.  I have no clue. 

The only thing that comes to my mind is that our offense is based on what the defense gives us.  That's a fact.  So my guess would be that almost every play the defense gives us something, they wait and move, causing us to check and run the playclock down.  Does that make sense??
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You made sense. But that kind of offense doesn't. I think we need to let the players "think" less when they break the huddle.
 
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There is no doubt in my mind that sometimes we just need to run the play. You see, when you watch Peyton play on Sunday, he does a lot of checking but that is Peyton. He has the ability because he's one of the best at it. With RC or Ainge doing it, I just never feel comfortable about it.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 24, 2005 12:34 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that sometimes we just need to run the play.  You see, when you watch Peyton play on Sunday, he does a lot of checking but that is Peyton.  He has the ability because he's one of the best at it.  With RC or Ainge doing it, I just never feel comfortable about it.
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You're exactly right OWBlood. If you call a play in the huddle, the offensive lineman, and everyone else knows who to block before they get to the line of scrimmage. They should get there with atleast 12 to 15 seconds left on the play clock. When they get in their stance, they can talk to each other about blocking assignments. But when the QB audibles with 8 seconds left, they have to "rethink" and get ready for possibly a totally different kind of blocking assignment. That's just not enough time. I can't stand taking a time out or getting a delay of game called, much less a procedure penalty because a linemen knows the clock is winding down.
 
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