How many games do we get to play before season is cancelled?

[TrumpedUpVol]

Obviously this is just one player out of thousands, just as it was before, but it is refreshing to see Vanderbilt's leading tackler opting back into the season.

I understand why people are incredulous about a season occurring, let alone reaching conference title games in December; Texas Tech football has 21 active cases and Oklahoma has an entire position group decimated by COVID-19. Hell, I'm surprised that the ACC and Big XII have games the week of September 12th when the SEC is holding out an additional two weeks. But, you know what? In spite of the struggles endured by Texas Tech and Oklahoma, they're moving forward with practices! Pitt is scheduling an unnecessary out-of-conference game in fourteen days! UNC returned to practice yesterday despite additional clusters and kicking students off campus! College football starts in around 100 hours!

It's going to take a true disaster, and I'm talking the deaths of two or more players, to derail the season at this point.

 

[Cmacsmokey]

Obviously this is just one player out of thousands, just as it was before, but it is refreshing to see Vanderbilt's leading tackler opting back into the season.

I understand why people are incredulous about a season occurring, let alone reaching conference title games in December; Texas Tech football has 21 active cases and Oklahoma has an entire position group decimated by COVID-19. Hell, I'm surprised that the ACC and Big XII have games the week of September 12th when the SEC is holding out an additional two weeks. But, you know what? In spite of the struggles endured by Texas Tech and Oklahoma, they're moving forward with practices! Pitt is scheduling an unnecessary out-of-conference game in fourteen days! UNC returned to practice yesterday despite additional clusters and kicking students off campus! College football starts in around 100 hours!

It's going to take a true disaster, and I'm talking the deaths of two or more players, to derail the season at this point.

When the first death happens either to a player or coach or support staff or they get seriously ill then the sh## will hit the fan.

 

[Catbone]

When the first death happens either to a player or coach or support staff or they get seriously ill then the sh## will hit the fan.

Tbh its a matter of when not if

 

[WillisWG]

FYP

NYD it was perfect

 

[Remy]

Well the hand wringing, knee clacking, hiding under their beds brigade didn't get their way have let reality sink in that there will be college football played. Now they're casting lots hoping for a death or two to recover some semblance of being correct.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

as a former OR tech I can promise you are wrong, but I know there is no convincing .

For starters, Wikipedia disagrees with you:

A surgical mask, also known as a face mask, is intended to be worn by health professionals during healthcare procedures.[1][2] It is designed to prevent infections in patients and treating personnel by catching bacteria shed in liquid droplets and aerosols from the wearer's mouth and nose.[3][4][5] They are not designed to protect the wearer from breathing in airborne bacteria or viruses whose particles are smaller.

Next, and far more compelling, is the CDC's own Journal of Emerging Infectious Diseases which published a metaanalysis in May of this year that focused on the effectiveness of masking in non-healthcare settings for pandemic influenza and compared the findings of RCTs from 1946 to 2017 - spoiler alert: they all found no significant effect on transmission of influenza (i.e., an airborne virus). Here is the link: Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

Lastly, you should try to educate the experts who are so misguided they testified that masks do not protect nurses or patients from the flu in a case from 2015 which was won by the Ontario Nurses Association...link: Union says Ontario nurses can’t be forced to wear masks in flu season

In addition to the settled science noted above, Covid-19 ranges in size from 0.06-0.14 microns while properly fitted (and very, very few people have properly fitting masks...lol) N95 and cloth masks only stop 95% and <10% of particles larger than 0.30 microns respectfully. So, if wearing masks make you and others feel better then have at it but don't kid yourself on the effectiveness.

 

[Delmar]

Probably can’t compare this to college football with all their protocols but we already have a blip here in Shelby County after one week. Collierville High School just cancelled its next two games due to two positive tests on the team. That’s all it took and I’m not sure how they can keep it to zero. Will be interesting to see what happens when an SEC team gets a few positive tests in season and you know that’s going to happen. What’s the threshold before a school shuts it down for a few games or the season? Guess it’s like everything else these days. Uncharted territory and nobody can be 100% certain of anything. Trial and error is the best we’ve got.

 

[FBtime]

Probably can’t compare this to college football with all their protocols but we already have a blip here in Shelby County after one week. Collierville High School just cancelled its next two games due to two positive tests on the team. That’s all it took and I’m not sure how they can keep it to zero. Will be interesting to see what happens when an SEC team gets a few positive tests in season and you know that’s going to happen. What’s the threshold before a school shuts it down for a few games or the season? Guess it’s like everything else these days. Uncharted territory and nobody can be 100% certain of anything. Trial and error is the best we’ve got.

As you said you cannot correlate that to college football since HS football students will be among the general HS population on a daily basis and college football going forward will not have the influx of students they did this past weekend. The football teams will be mostly insulated from the rest of the students but will have to be disciplined to remain that way.

 

[Delmar]

As you said you cannot correlate that to college football since HS football students will be among the general HS population on a daily basis and college football going forward will not have the influx of students they did this past weekend. The football teams will be mostly insulated from the rest of the students but will have to be disciplined to remain that way.

Oh I agree they are different. But I also think it’s indicative that the powers that be are going to be very careful be it high school, college or pro. My only question is how long the players can remain disciplined. Can they do it for 4 months? Only time will tell. I’m also very curious from school to school what the tolerance level will be when a team gets multiple positives. As contagious as this thing can be, I believe it’s inevitable. And they won’t have to be sick, just positive. Will they shut down for a game or two? (Isn’t NC State already delaying the start of their season because of positives?) Will they quarantine the positive tests and keep going? It’s going to be an interesting fall.

 

[SKBubba]

LSU offensive line decimated by COVID positives and quarantines

 

[VFL-82-JP]

LSU offensive line decimated by COVID positives and quarantines

Decimated!

[which actually means down to 90% as only one in ten are actually removed...but okay, he means devastated or wiped out or something like that]

Okay, so listen to how the dude opens this article:

LSU’s defense of its college football national championship is off to a rocky start, with just one month before the Tigers open their season. Positive COVID-19 tests or a risk of exposure to infected individuals has sidelined nearly the entire offensive line position group...all but four members of the offensive line have either tested positive for the novel coronavirus or are isolating due to high-risk exposure.

Wow. Sounds like the season is off to a rocky start! They will only have 4 offensive linemen to play in the first game. What the heck will they do?

...

What? Oh, those players will be back in a week or two? And after that, the ones that actually had Covid, they'll probably have immunity for the rest of the season?

Well, that's a completely different animal! Why didn't the writer just say that, up front?

And, ummm...err, how do we get the rest of our guys to catch it now so they'll have immunity once the season starts? Shh, don't tell anyone I asked.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Decimated!

[which actually means down to 90% as only one in ten are actually removed...but okay, he means devastated or wiped out or something like that]

Okay, so listen to how the dude opens this article:



Wow. Sounds like the season is off to a rocky start! They will only have 4 offensive linemen to play in the first game. What the heck will they do?

...

What? Oh, those players will be back in a week or two? And after that, the ones that actually had Covid, they'll probably have immunity for the rest of the season?

Well, that's a completely different animal! Why didn't the writer just say that, up front?

And, ummm...err, how do we get the rest of our guys to catch it now so they'll have immunity once the season starts? Shh, don't tell anyone I asked.

The offensive line might have been part of that 23 that Pruitt said had tested positive!

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

What? Oh, those players will be back in a week or two? And after that, the ones that actually had Covid, they'll probably have immunity for the rest of the season?

Bingo. I don't believe that any program has been purposely exposing their players/upping their risk factor, but when I see articles about team X having 30+ positive cases on their roster it honestly sounds as if they're going to have an easier time staying healthy in the coming months when a large chunk of their roster is at infinitesimal risk for reinfection and accordingly won't run the risk of passing it along to other players.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Bingo. I don't believe that any program has been purposely exposing their players/upping their risk factor, but when I see articles about team X having 30+ positive cases on their roster it honestly sounds as if they're going to have an easier time staying healthy in the coming months when a large chunk of their roster is at infinitesimal risk for reinfection and accordingly won't run the risk of passing it along to other players.

It's almost as if the writer of this article (and plenty of other folks) can't see in time. Don't have the imagination to anticipate the future.

Like this:



So each column is one of the 15 offensive linemen on LSU's team. Today, four of them are healthy (green circles). The other eleven are either sick with Covid (pink) or in isolation (yellow). Within two weeks, the sick ones will gain immunity (blue). Some of the isolated will get sick, and a couple of weeks later gain immunity; others will not get sick, go back to being okay and practicing. It's even possible one or more of the four who started off okay will get sick a week or two from now.

At the end of the day, chances are really good not ONLY that there will be plenty of linemen available to play in the first game, but most of them were okay to practice the crucial week or two prior to the game. And even beyond that, a lot of them will from then on have immunity to hopefully keep them safe the entire season.

I honestly think some people can only see that first line. The "Today" line. And that thinking in time is beyond them.

Either that, or they're just fear mongering, hoping to profit off the worries of others.

 

[stevenrich2003]

It's almost as if the writer of this article (and plenty of other folks) can't see in time. Don't have the imagination to anticipate the future.

Like this:

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So each column is one of the 15 offensive linemen on LSU's team. Today, four of them are healthy (green circles). The other eleven are either sick with Covid (pink) or in isolation (yellow). Within two weeks, the sick ones will gain immunity (blue). Some of the isolated will get sick, and a couple of weeks later gain immunity; others will not get sick, go back to being okay and practicing. It's even possible one or more of the four who started off okay will get sick a week or two from now.

At the end of the day, chances are really good not ONLY that there will be plenty of linemen available to play in the first game, but most of them were okay to practice the crucial week or two prior to the game. And even beyond that, a lot of them will from then on have immunity to hopefully keep them safe the entire season.

I honestly think some people can only see that first line. The "Today" line. And that thinking in time is beyond them.

Either that, or they're just fear mongering, hoping to profit off the worries of others.

This.

 

[TennVols12]

Anyone else see where the CDC released that only 6% (roughly 9,500) of all Covid deaths were actually due to covid?

So many Americans have been severely played.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Anyone else see where the CDC released that only 6% (roughly 9,500) of all Covid deaths were actually due to covid?

So many Americans have been severely played.

Fact check: only 6% were purely due to covid. Nothing else wrong with the person, covid was 100% of the problem.

That doesn't mean covid wasn't 90% or even 99% of the problem in a lot of the others.

Say a person had type 2 diabetes for decades, and was overweight, so had high blood pressure. Those are two "co-morbidities" that got listed on the death certificate along with covid. What killed the person? Well, honestly, all of it. Any one thing alone probably would not have ended their life. But important point: they'd had diabetes and high blood pressure for a long, long time without dying. Add covid to the mix: dead.

That's just one example. If you wanted to say that there were squirrelly cases among the other 94%, like that category where one of the other co-morbidities was "accidents" (you know, like die in a car wreck and, oh, btw, had covid too), I would totally agree with you. Your case would be much stronger.

Just didn't want you misunderstanding what you read, or passing that misunderstanding on to others here.

 

[norrislakevol]

When the first death happens either to a player or coach or support staff or they get seriously ill then the sh## will hit the fan.

It looks like most infections have been occurring with non football related activities, but I am sure some of the weak minded will clamor for a shutdown. I certainly hope the powers that be are of stronger mind then to listen to them.

 

[vol9799]

When the first death happens either to a player or coach or support staff or they get seriously ill then the sh## will hit the fan.

Oh yes, because those folks would have been perfectly safe and healthy if it just hadn't been for that evil football.

 

[FïreBall]

I predicted this in another thread.. If UT is 4-0 headed into the Bama game.. They'll cancel the season then..

 

[TennVols12]

Fact check: only 6% were purely due to covid. Nothing else wrong with the person, covid was 100% of the problem.

That doesn't mean covid wasn't 90% or even 99% of the problem in a lot of the others.

Say a person had type 2 diabetes for decades, and was overweight, so had high blood pressure. Those are two "co-morbidities" that got listed on the death certificate along with covid. What killed the person? Well, honestly, all of it. Any one thing alone probably would not have ended their life. But important point: they'd had diabetes and high blood pressure for a long, long time without dying. Add covid to the mix: dead.

That's just one example. If you wanted to say that there were squirrelly cases among the other 94%, like that category where one of the other co-morbidities was "accidents" (you know, like die in a car wreck and, oh, btw, had covid too), I would totally agree with you. Your case would be much stronger.

Just didn't want you misunderstanding what you read, or passing that misunderstanding on to others here.

Dude...you went through all of this, (and edited your post), and the only thing you changed was “actually” and “purely”....nice try at proving someone wrong.

Sorry Covid isn’t as bad and malicious as you wanted it to be.