How Do Other Coaches Do So Much W/less

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TBALLVOL

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VaTech gets the left overs in the recruiting wars and plays alot of the lesser local talent and Beamer consistently puts out a quality team. I think Beamer better represents the kind of football character made famous my General Neyland than any Volunteer Coach since. I would rather have a coach that works hard, expounds discipline, and molds and develops local kids into men than have a coach that gets the number one class every year but does nothing with them and then watches them rot on the vine because they are not tended to properly. The General would fire them ALL.
 
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Originally posted by TBALLVOL@Oct 12, 2005 12:57 PM
VaTech gets the left overs in the recruiting wars and plays alot of the lesser local talent and Beamer consistently puts out a quality team. I think Beamer better represents the kind of football character made famous my General Neyland than any Volunteer Coach since. I would rather have a coach that works hard, expounds discipline, and molds and develops local kids into men than have a coach that gets the number one class every year but does nothing with them and then watches them rot on the vine because they are not tended to properly. The General would fire them ALL.
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Being in a weak conference and not playing 4 top 10 teams helps. I dont see VaTech going 4-0 against Ga, FL, LSU, and Bama.
 
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Originally posted by TBALLVOL@Oct 12, 2005 11:57 AM
VaTech gets the left overs in the recruiting wars and plays alot of the lesser local talent and Beamer consistently puts out a quality team. I think Beamer better represents the kind of football character made famous my General Neyland than any Volunteer Coach since. I would rather have a coach that works hard, expounds discipline, and molds and develops local kids into men than have a coach that gets the number one class every year but does nothing with them and then watches them rot on the vine because they are not tended to properly. The General would fire them ALL.
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"Molds and develops"? Beamer has had more off field problems over the years than has Tennessee. I'm not sure if the guy who has coached/coddled Marcus Vick is exactly an expert in administering discipline. I won't even go into Jim Druckenmiller's antics under Beamer. A lot of those "leftovers" are talented guys who nobody else wants to deal with. If you like Beamer's program, I hope for consistency's sake you are a Bob Huggins fan.
 
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I think you mispeak when you say that Tennessee gets the No. 1 recruiting class each year. The Vols are high, but haven't been quite as high the past few seasons as they were this year.

In 2005, rivals.com listed Tennessee as 4th and Va Tech as 14th. The previous 2 seasons, neither team was in rivals.com's top 10.

As subjective as these recruiting rankings are... there is not that much difference from 4 to 14. Tennessee had 27 mulit-star recruits while Va Tech had 25.

The biggest difference in the 2 teams is that Va Tech is NOT in the SEC and has NOT won a National Title.

I like Beamer and right now the most glaring difference is that Va Tech usually has the best special teams in the nation. That is because Beamer personally coaches the special teams. The other is that the Vick family produces better quarterbacks than the Clausen family.

Here is the comparison of the two since the BCS started.

Year TENN -- Va.TECH
2004 10-3 -- 10-3
2003 10-3 -- 8-5
2002 8-5 --- 10-4
2001 11-2 -- 8-4
2000 8-4 --- 11-1
1999 9-3 -- 11-1
1998 13-0 -- 9-3
TOT 69-20 -- 67-21
 
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Well shut my mouth!.. I need to do better research! But, my main point is that there are programs out there that do more with less. With the talent that we are able to attract at UT, we have no excuse for being in the position we are currently in.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 12, 2005 1:11 PM
I dont see VaTech going 4-0 against Ga, FL, LSU, and Bama.
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I do...
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 12, 2005 1:11 PM
I dont see VaTech going 4-0 against Ga, FL, LSU, and Bama.
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have you seen them. this team has a dominating d like us.
a consistent offense and i reat ethem between good and great. w/ a great qb. we are an offense below average. there special teams in amzing.
 
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Originally posted by tvolsfan@Oct 12, 2005 3:11 PM
have you seen them. this team has a dominating d like us.
a consistent offense and i reat ethem between good and great. w/ a great qb. we are an offense below average. there special teams in amzing.
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Can you imagine what Beamer could do on special teams with UTs talent?
 
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Originally posted by TBALLVOL@Oct 12, 2005 12:57 PM
VaTech gets the left overs in the recruiting wars and plays alot of the lesser local talent and Beamer consistently puts out a quality team. I think Beamer better represents the kind of football character made famous my General Neyland than any Volunteer Coach since. I would rather have a coach that works hard, expounds discipline, and molds and develops local kids into men than have a coach that gets the number one class every year but does nothing with them and then watches them rot on the vine because they are not tended to properly. The General would fire them ALL.
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Maybe we could just hire his offensive coordinator...beamer's got some years on him....lol
 
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i don't know tballvol, but i'm glad vtech is not on our schedule. it would be another loss because we would surely get out coached.
 
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You see that orange in their uniforms at Va Tech? Charlie Coffey took that from U.T. when he went up there to coach. Prior to that, their colors were a combination of maroon, white, and gray.
 
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They "TEACH", what a coach is hired to do, blocking and tackleing and implement schemes their players can mentally handle and physically carry out. This is a skill our coaches may have never had or possibly forgotten.
 
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Two years ago the Hokie fans were calling for Beamer and DC Bud Foster's respective heads. It always amazes me how everyone loves whichever coach has won four in a row. Why don't we do this? Hire Beamer and Mike Leach as co-coaches, bring in Norm Chow as offensive coordinator and Joe Lee Dunn as defensive coordinator. Have I missed any of the board's favorite potential hires?
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Oct 12, 2005 5:38 PM
Two years ago the Hokie fans were calling for Beamer and DC Bud Foster's respective heads. It always amazes me how everyone loves whichever coach has won four in a row. Why don't we do this? Hire Beamer and Mike Leach as co-coaches, bring in Norm Chow as offensive coordinator and Joe Lee Dunn as defensive coordinator. Have I missed any of the board's favorite potential hires?
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I want Tony Robinson as our OC
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 12, 2005 5:41 PM
I want Tony Robinson as our OC
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Do you think he could get a work release?
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 12, 2005 10:11 AM
Being in a weak conference and not playing 4 top 10 teams helps.  I dont see VaTech going 4-0 against Ga, FL, LSU, and Bama.
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Well I'm sorry but that's pretty much incorrect. The ACC has really turned it around the last couple years and is a highly respectable conference now.

Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia, and most of the lower half is pretty strong from year to year as well, with the exception of Wake Forest.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Oct 12, 2005 6:48 PM
Well I'm sorry but that's pretty much incorrect. The ACC has really turned it around the last couple years and is a highly respectable conference now.

Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia, and most of the lower half is pretty strong from year to year as well, with the exception of Wake Forest.
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I'll trade our schedule over the last 5 years with anyone in the ACC. Auburn went undefeated last year, we had to play them twice, before that LSU (though we didnt play them) there is little doubt in my mind that the SEC is still a tougher conference.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Oct 12, 2005 5:48 PM
Well I'm sorry but that's pretty much incorrect. The ACC has really turned it around the last couple years and is a highly respectable conference now.

Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia, and most of the lower half is pretty strong from year to year as well, with the exception of Wake Forest.
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Did you forget how bad Duke is annually? When was the last time UNC was any good? A 61-19 loss to L'ville doesn't exactly qualify as "pretty strong".
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 12, 2005 5:41 PM
I want Tony Robinson as our OC
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Our teamed would always be more geeked up than the oponent - Bring on the snowman.
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 12, 2005 9:56 PM
Our teamed would always be more geeked up than the oponent  -  Bring on the snowman.
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Would BB Cooper be the RBs coach?
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Oct 12, 2005 6:21 PM
Did you forget how bad Duke is annually? When was the last time UNC was any good? A 61-19 loss to L'ville doesn't exactly qualify as "pretty strong".
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Okay. Dook and WF. But still, the ACC of today is a far, far cry from the ACC of ten years ago.
 
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Tech is tough. I actually think they would beat Texas. I would love to see USC vs. VTech in the national championship. The ACC has VTech, Miami, Florida State, Boston College, Virginia and Ga.Tech. It also has some teams that would love to spoil your day ie. Clemson and Wake.

The SEC has the Vols, Georgia, Alabama, Florida and LSU with some others that would love to ruin your day ie. Auburn, Ole Miss, etc.

The bottom line is that though I believe the SEC is the superior conference, the ACC is pretty tough.

 
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The difficulty just depends on what type of program you've got.

Say I've got a top-tier program, I'd rather go ACC. More years than not, not quite as many tough teams. But if I've got a mid-level program, I'd rather play SEC because the number and consistent lack of quality of the cellar-dwellars would practically guarantee a bowl game about every year.
 
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