How could We Be Winning?, Lies and more lies…

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Lies and more lies…

Clearly more cooked intel

Less than a year after his agency warned of new threats from a resurgent al-Qaeda, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden now portrays the terrorist movement as essentially defeated in Iraq and Saudi Arabia and on the defensive throughout much of the rest of the world, including in its presumed haven along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

In a strikingly upbeat assessment, the CIA chief cited major gains against al-Qaeda's allies in the Middle East and an increasingly successful campaign to destabilize the group's core leadership.

While cautioning that al-Qaeda remains a serious threat, Hayden said Osama bin Laden is losing the battle for hearts and minds in the Islamic world and has largely forfeited his ability to exploit the Iraq war to recruit adherents. Two years ago, a CIA study concluded that the U.S.-led war had become a propaganda and marketing bonanza for al-Qaeda, generating cash donations and legions of volunteers.

All that has changed, Hayden said in an interview with The Washington Post this week that coincided with the start of his third year at the helm of the CIA.

"On balance, we are doing pretty well," he said, ticking down a list of accomplishments: "Near strategic defeat of al-Qaeda in Iraq. Near strategic defeat for al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia. Significant setbacks for al-Qaeda globally -- and here I'm going to use the word 'ideologically' -- as a lot of the Islamic world pushes back on their form of Islam," he said.

The sense of shifting tides in the terrorism fight is shared by a number of terrorism experts, though some caution that it is too early to tell whether the gains are permanent. Some credit Hayden and other U.S. intelligence leaders for going on the offensive against al-Qaeda in the area along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where the tempo of Predator strikes has dramatically increased from previous years. But analysts say the United States has caught some breaks in the past year, benefiting from improved conditions in Iraq, as well as strategic blunders by al-Qaeda that have cut into its support base.

Reasons that this just can’t be true…

BUSH SUCKS!


It is time to turn the page. It is time to write a new chapter in our response to 9/11.

Just because the President misrepresents our enemies does not mean we do not have them. The terrorists are at war with us. The threat is from violent extremists who are a small minority of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims, but the threat is real. They distort Islam. They kill man, woman and child; Christian and Hindu, Jew and Muslim. They seek to create a repressive caliphate. To defeat this enemy, we must understand who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for.

The President would have us believe that every bomb in Baghdad is part of al Qaeda’s war against us, not an Iraqi civil war. He elevates al Qaeda in Iraq – which didn’t exist before our invasion – and overlooks the people who hit us on 9/11, who are training new recruits in Pakistan. He lumps together groups with very different goals: al Qaeda and Iran, Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents. He confuses our mission.

And worse – he is fighting the war the terrorists want us to fight. Bin Ladin and his allies know they cannot defeat us on the field of battle or in a genuine battle of ideas. But they can provoke the reaction we’ve seen in Iraq: a misguided invasion of a Muslim country that sparks new insurgencies, ties down our military, busts our budgets, increases the pool of terrorist recruits, alienates America, gives democracy a bad name, and prompts the American people to question our engagement in the world.

By refusing to end the war in Iraq, President Bush is giving the terrorists what they really want, and what the Congress voted to give them in 2002: a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

Barack Obama Aug 1st, 2007

And more lies by the CIA for Bush/Cheney

Despite this 'cause célebrè' phenomenon, fundamentally no one really liked al-Qaeda's vision of the future," Hayden said. As a result, the insurgency is viewed locally as "more and more a war of al-Qaeda against Iraqis," he said. Hayden specifically cited the recent writings of prominent Sunni clerics -- including some who used to support al-Qaeda -- criticizing the group for its indiscriminant killing of Muslim civilians.

While al-Qaeda misplayed its hand with gruesome attacks on Iraqi civilians, Hayden said, U.S. military commanders and intelligence officials deserve some of the credit for the shift, because they "created the circumstances" for it by building strategic alliances with Sunni and Shiite factions, he said.

Hayden warned, however, that progress in Iraq is being undermined by increasing interference by Iran, which he accused of supplying weapons, training and financial assistance to anti-U.S. insurgents. While declining to endorse any particular strategy for dealing with Iran, he described the threat in stark terms.

"It is the policy of the Iranian government, approved at the highest levels of that government, to facilitate the killing of American and other coalition forces in Iraq. Period," he said.

Because we ‘know’

And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians-they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities-the Iranians. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi May 28th 2008

Clearly BUSH SUCKS! We are not winning, we can’t win, we should never fight, and did I fail to mention:

BUSH SUCKS!


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Bush does suck...

...but I am glad to hear that Hayden feels things are improving. I hope we can continue to rid the world of these guys.
 
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I can tell you this. No matter who is elected this fall, they have been set up to fail by the current administration.
 
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I can tell you this. No matter who is elected this fall, they have been set up to fail by the current administration.


So even 20 years from now, you're still going to blame it all on Bush? Nice. Let's just pull out now in that case.
 
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I can tell you this. No matter who is elected this fall, they have been set up to fail by the current administration.

This is the most is the most idiotic post I've read in a while, and thats saying something. Reagan came in after Nixon, Ford, and Carter, I would say the condition of this country was 100 times worse than now. And on the whole we've enjoyed stable conditions ever since.
 
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I can tell you this. No matter who is elected this fall, they have been set up to fail by the current administration.

sort of like how the Clinton administration's inaction against terrorism set up the current administration to fail.
 
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What would you have done different? And how do you think that would have turned out.

The fact of the matter is you don't know. There is no way to measure the success or lack of success of this administration. The task was heavy and they made mistakes. Did they make mistakes to err on the side of caution? I don't know and neither do you. I do know this though. There hasn't been another attack on U.S. soil and the one that we did have under this administration did not go without notice unlike the previous administration.

Take 9-11 away from the past 7 years and tell me what would have happened?
 
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What would you have done different? And how do you think that would have turned out.

The fact of the matter is you don't know. There is no way to measure the success or lack of success of this administration. The task was heavy and they made mistakes. Did they make mistakes to err on the side of caution? I don't know and neither do you. I do know this though. There hasn't been another attack on U.S. soil and the one that we did have under this administration did not go without notice unlike the previous administration.

Take 9-11 away from the past 7 years and tell me what would have happened?

we would have pissed away enormous sums of gov't cash due to unrestrained Washington stupidity.
 
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This is the most is the most idiotic post I've read in a while, and thats saying something. Reagan came in after Nixon, Ford, and Carter, I would say the condition of this country was 100 times worse than now. And on the whole we've enjoyed stable conditions ever since.

Here is one word for you and your type thinkers to ponder. Globalization.
 
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It is so freaking amazing how we generalize ALL of the problems and associate them with one man. I find it rather tasteless to make blanket statments about the administration and their platform after 9-11. This admin was elected with a goal in mind. That goal was to limit goverment spending, and to be less envolved in Americans.
In short, they were going to avoid being "big goverment" politics. Instead, we were attacked. Here. I dont think anyone here is not aware of that so I'm not placating you all, but here's my point. He was dealed out some pretty crappy cards imo.
He had a plan, disaster happened and the plans changed.

I cant stand to think what those other tools the Democrates ran against him would have done if faced with the same situation. In fact, I wouldnt wish that on anyone, but this is what has happened.

Is the war dragging out? Yup. Have we made some mistakes? Yup. Has Bush made some mistakes? Yup. But lets not all pile on like some Monday Morning QB and blanket ALL the freaking problems on one guy. From what I can tell, we have a bi-partisan government with alot of folks envolved. That being said, it is OUR problem. Dems, Repubs, hippies, rednecks, and everyone else.

The Bush bashing is getting old.

and by the way, some of you experts would suck at running a shoe shop on Southbeach so dont be so damn judgmental. If you want to do it diffrent .....run for office and fix what you think is broke. I hear the Dems are looking for another option this year cause from what

I can see, the Muslim they are running is too busy worried about every other 3rd world country.
 
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I hear the Dems are looking for another option this year cause from what

I can see, the Muslim they are running is too busy worried about every other 3rd world country.

....bringing out the Obama is a Muslim stuff...nice. Way to diminish your comments by revealing your ignorance!
 
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....bringing out the Obama is a Muslim stuff...nice. Way to diminish your comments by revealing your ignorance!

That's just it! You discovered what I am talking about. Making generalized statments about someone that have very little to do with the bigger picture. Good for you for spotting that. I guess my philosophy for posting in this particular section of VN needs to be, "argue ignorance with ignoranc" inorder to insure everyone understands what I saying. Having an intelligent conversation would be demoralizing to some so, ....fight stupid with stupid...right?

I didnt diminish a damn thing I said and if I did in your opinon, whoopity do. The fact that I finally, after quite some time avoiding posting on Bush Bashing threads, said something.

Let me reinterate something. I specifically said for all the rethorical and theoretically sound minds here, to run for office and make a change. We, as a whole nit pick on those who run for office and make blanket statements about the current admin. We discredit them because it is easy to point out other people's flaws. Why chastise me for calling them out?

If Im ignorant, its blissfull because I'd hate to have such a narrow minded philosophy on how our country is ran and how 1 guy is the sole reason for all our problems.

Otherwise, you know what, run buddy, and have great time dealing with all of it when you get there.

Ignorant?.......okey dokey.:good!:
 
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txvol i agree w/ what you said 100%.

Be careful, showing rational opinons that dont concur with the blatent slander of our President might get you thrown in the fire with me. Play at your own risk, but I appreciate it.

It just gets old ya know?
 
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Be careful, showing rational opinons that dont concur with the blatent slander of our President might get you thrown in the fire with me. Play at your own risk, but I appreciate it.

It just gets old ya know?

I agree that the Bush bashing gets old . . . but so does calling Obama a Muslim just for the sake of marginalizing him.
 
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Bush is a man who was not meant for the leadership roles he has been given. He is a lousy leader, but probably a descent guy.

Our current economic situation (if it has to blamed on a single entity) is more Bill Clinton than any other US person.

And keep in mind that you have stated "showing rational opinions" are just that 'opinions'. Its not just those who disagree with you that need to get off their high horse.
 
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Our current economic situation (if it has to blamed on a single entity) is more Bill Clinton than any other US person.
don't get me wrong, I have no qualms with bashing Clinton, but I just don't get this.

Presidents get too much credit, good and bad, for the economy. Second, the economy isn't that bad but is being hit by a housing correction and fuel is introducing artificial inflation. Other than that, the economy has been reasonably solid.
 
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I agree. Giving Presidents credit/blame for economies is sort of like giving the Weatherman credit when it rains.
 

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