House v NCAA Settlement Discussion

[37620VOL]

A couple questions for the board:

1. What teams/conferences are the winners and losers and why?
2. How does this affect LV basketball directly and indirectly?

As @DeerPark12 stated "No sports beyond football (75%), men's basketball (15%), women's basketball (5%) and baseball/softball (splitting 5%) are receiving revenue share at SEC schools."

My first thought was some teams that don't have football might suddenly find themselves with a competitive advantage in basketball. The best example might be Gonzaga what if they drop $12M on men's BB and $7M on women's basketball. They could have a full roster of million-dollar players! There are several more colleges that should strongly consider if they need to keep football, *ahem* ETSU.

A scary thought, what if UConn drops football and dumps all that $$$ on their basketball teams?

As for the LVs this might hurt us, I could see a strategy evolve where you pay top dollar to your top 3-7 players and fill in role players around them. We need to spread that among 10-12 top players to keep our current system.

Any other thoughts on the matter, Title IX, etc?

 

[chuckiepoo]

A couple questions for the board:

1. What teams/conferences are the winners and losers and why?
2. How does this affect LV basketball directly and indirectly?

As @DeerPark12 stated "No sports beyond football (75%), men's basketball (15%), women's basketball (5%) and baseball/softball (splitting 5%) are receiving revenue share at SEC schools."

My first thought was some teams that don't have football might suddenly find themselves with a competitive advantage in basketball. The best example might be Gonzaga what if they drop $12M on men's BB and $7M on women's basketball. They could have a full roster of million-dollar players! There are several more colleges that should strongly consider if they need to keep football, *ahem* ETSU.

A scary thought, what if UConn drops football and dumps all that $$$ on their basketball teams?

As for the LVs this might hurt us, I could see a strategy evolve where you pay top dollar to your top 3-7 players and fill in role players around them. We need to spread that among 10-12 top players to keep our current system.

Any other thoughts on the matter, Title IX, etc?

The Title IX lawsuit has been filed. I imagine it will become a class action suit in the near future.

 

[Volfan2012]

A couple questions for the board:

1. What teams/conferences are the winners and losers and why?
2. How does this affect LV basketball directly and indirectly?

As @DeerPark12 stated "No sports beyond football (75%), men's basketball (15%), women's basketball (5%) and baseball/softball (splitting 5%) are receiving revenue share at SEC schools."

My first thought was some teams that don't have football might suddenly find themselves with a competitive advantage in basketball. The best example might be Gonzaga what if they drop $12M on men's BB and $7M on women's basketball. They could have a full roster of million-dollar players! There are several more colleges that should strongly consider if they need to keep football, *ahem* ETSU.

A scary thought, what if UConn drops football and dumps all that $$$ on their basketball teams?

As for the LVs this might hurt us, I could see a strategy evolve where you pay top dollar to your top 3-7 players and fill in role players around them. We need to spread that among 10-12 top players to keep our current system.

Any other thoughts on the matter, Title IX, etc?

I can see many schools using a different payout strategy than what will happen in the SEC. I am sure UConn will have a lower football payout and more money will go to the basketball programs.

I wonder if schools will be allowed to use all their shoe and apparel money for NIL as well as the settlement money. This would be huge for Tennessee if they sign a 20 million deal with Adidas they would have 20 million plus 20.5 million as their NIl total along with any booster money or other NIl money they could dig up. If true I can see every reason for Danny White to take the Adidas deal as that doubles his NIl money and puts Tennessee in strong position for keeping and getting top athletes.

 

[volsagain]

I can see many schools using a different payout strategy than what will happen in the SEC. I am sure UConn will have a lower football payout and more money will go to the basketball programs.

I wonder if schools will be allowed to use all their shoe and apparel money for NIL as well as the settlement money. This would be huge for Tennessee if they sign a 20 million deal with Adidas they would have 20 million plus 20.5 million as their NIl total along with any booster money or other NIl money they could dig up. If true I can see every reason for Danny White to take the Adidas deal as that doubles his NIl money and puts Tennessee in strong position for keeping and getting top athletes.

My guess is you have to make the deal with Adidas or Nike which ever it may be. They have to offer a shoe deal with at least one player from each major sport. These ADs and coaches are always going to find a way around the laws plane and simple. I believe the reason behind all this stuff happened because some were already paying players without being looked at closely. Others were being penalized heavily if they were caught dealing under the table.

 

[knoxvol52]

I can see many schools using a different payout strategy than what will happen in the SEC. I am sure UConn will have a lower football payout and more money will go to the basketball programs.

I wonder if schools will be allowed to use all their shoe and apparel money for NIL as well as the settlement money. This would be huge for Tennessee if they sign a 20 million deal with Adidas they would have 20 million plus 20.5 million as their NIl total along with any booster money or other NIl money they could dig up. If true I can see every reason for Danny White to take the Adidas deal as that doubles his NIl money and puts Tennessee in strong position for keeping and getting top athletes.

All the Big East schools will flow most money into basketball.

 

[WVU05UT09]

My first thought was some teams that don't have football might suddenly find themselves with a competitive advantage in basketball. The best example might be Gonzaga what if they drop $12M on men's BB and $7M on women's basketball. They could have a full roster of million-dollar players! There are several more colleges that should strongly consider if they need to keep football, *ahem* ETSU.

Non P4 schools are not going to get to the $20.5M figure (I'm not quite sure frankly if it will be for B12/ACC either without significant changes in spending). Article on Yahoo News yesterday with anonymous source saying they expected most Big East schools to end up in the $7M-$12M range total. So they won't have a $20M dollar advantage by putting it all in mens bball. But the open question out there is what % they are going to put in womens bball especially when UConn is really the only good product in the league. That will determine the final mens number and whether its a $1M-$2M advantage or a $5M+ adv.

Are Gonzaga and the Big East the big winners from the NCAA's new revenue sharing rules?

 

[37620VOL]

Non P4 schools are not going to get to the $20.5M figure (I'm not quite sure frankly if it will be for B12/ACC either without significant changes in spending). Article on Yahoo News yesterday with anonymous source saying they expected most Big East schools to end up in the $7M-$12M range total. So they won't have a $20M dollar advantage by putting it all in mens bball. But the open question out there is what % they are going to put in womens bball especially when UConn is really the only good product in the league. That will determine the final mens number and whether its a $1M-$2M advantage or a $5M+ adv.

Are Gonzaga and the Big East the big winners from the NCAA's new revenue sharing rules?

So they don't expect to get to the $20m max but there's nothing to say they can't?

 

[WVU05UT09]

So they don't expect to get to the $20m max but there's nothing to say they can't?

Ok maybe they will try but as someone fairly knowledgable with Big East athletic budgets it will be nearly impossible.

Remember this is the rev sharing piece from the universities…not NIL.

Thats the piece that should concern the P4. Most of those universities are in major metro areas not necessarily tied to a P4 university. Id particularly keep an eye on St. Johns. Could be a game changer for them.

 

[1reVOLver]

This so-called settlement is a boon to the legal profession. It didn't address Title IX, and the first lawsuit has already been filed. The deloitte as NIL arbiter matter is just too stupid for words.

It reeks of restraint of trade, requires setting objective standards based on subjective judgments, and invites legal complaints.

 

[37620VOL]

The thing with Deloitte is laughable. As a CPA myself, who am I to say if an NIL deal is reasonable? If 2 parties agree to a deal, that's pretty much it. The only legit service that I could see Deloitte providing is verification after the fact that contract terms were fulfilled. And based on the summary that I read, that is not even a service that they are being asked to provide.

 

[Volfan2012]

The thing with Deloitte is laughable. As a CPA myself, who am I to say if an NIL deal is reasonable? If 2 parties agree to a deal, that's pretty much it. The only legit service that I could see Deloitte providing is verification after the fact that contract terms were fulfilled. And based on the summary that I read, that is not even a service that they are being asked to provide.

I don't think they can set amounts on what they think a deal is worth so it is totally like you said no help at all. I mean if someone wants to play someone a million dollars to mow their yard and they sign a contract to that effect that is the deal. Now if they had the power to limit how much someone could pay for a particular deal that would be something of value to keep people out of excessive payments for little or nothing. That is not happening.

 

[madtownvol]

The thing with Deloitte is laughable. As a CPA myself, who am I to say if an NIL deal is reasonable? If 2 parties agree to a deal, that's pretty much it. The only legit service that I could see Deloitte providing is verification after the fact that contract terms were fulfilled. And based on the summary that I read, that is not even a service that they are being asked to provide.

The clearinghouse component is the dicey one. The NCAA saying that schools can't directly spend more than 20 million to athlete payments per year. Fine. The clearinghouse saying that a QB transferring Oregon and cutting a personal NIL with Nike is illegitimate seems completely arbitrary. Just because Nike, a global brand, has it home office in the state of Oregon does not mean they have a vested interested in U of Oregon athletics.