Honest Conversation with Butch Jones: What happened at Tennessee?

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It’s really not that difficult to understand what happened during his tenure at UT. The program was in worse shape by his fifth recruiting class than it was when he took over In 2013. Jones just wasn’t good enough to lead a program as a HC at this level. I’m shocked that he is still in charge at Arkansas State. Good for him I guess.
 
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Much of the same reasons his mentor, Brian Kelly failed. However, the most notable thing I noticed about Butch's tenure is AAAAAA High School football teams in Georgia had more size than we did when he coached. First thing Okra did when he took over for Butch was replace all the 180lb guys with 220lb guys which seemed like common sense all along.
 
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He actually overperformed here for how much of a MAC coach he truly was. Tennessee imo made the right hire at the time as we couldn't get anyone, however he shouldn't have been the coach here that long. His job was to pretty much reestablish a foundation, he's not the type of coach that would lead you to a natty. He overs stayed his visit and made things worse long term. Didn't help that our fabase was trying to use the smokey mountain fire situation as leverage to give him more time just because he donated

Can't believe this clown got a win over Georgia lmao
 
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I will never understand the loathing of some Tennessee fans for Butch. He was in over his head and abilities but compared to his predecessor and successor, he was easily heads and shoulders better than those two guys. IMO, he tried to win in the ways he knew how and gave his all, but was never going to over come his shortcomings.

The interview just shines a light on how his personality will likely never allow him to be super successful. His constant reminders about his successes. no matter how small, coupled with the name-dropping that never stops, makes him seem very insecure, which isn't typically a trait of those who reach pinnacles of success.
 
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Lyle was (is) an arrogant idiot.

His little man syndrome would not let him take the blame for inexcusable losses.

He was an excuse machine

1. The chart
2. Champions of life
3. 5 star heart

The 2015 and 2016 teams were absolutely loaded with talent and he pi$$ed away 2 SEC east titles.

Jones should have been fired after getting embarrassed at home by Alabama in year 3.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
I will never understand the loathing of some Tennessee fans for Butch. He was in over his head and abilities but compared to his predecessor and successor, he was easily heads and shoulders better than those two guys. IMO, he tried to win in the ways he knew how and gave his all, but was never going to over come his shortcomings.

The interview just shines a light on how his personality will likely never allow him to be super successful. His constant reminders about his successes. no matter how small, coupled with the name-dropping that never stops, makes him seem very insecure, which isn't typically a trait of those who reach pinnacles of success.
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0-8 is all you need to know. No matter how bad Dooley and Pruitt were, they didn’t go 0-8.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
I will never understand the loathing of some Tennessee fans for Butch. He was in over his head and abilities but compared to his predecessor and successor, he was easily heads and shoulders better than those two guys. IMO, he tried to win in the ways he knew how and gave his all, but was never going to over come his shortcomings.

The interview just shines a light on how his personality will likely never allow him to be super successful. His constant reminders about his successes. no matter how small, coupled with the name-dropping that never stops, makes him seem very insecure, which isn't typically a trait of those who reach pinnacles of success.
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Smoking a cigar after he carried Saban’s assistant’s, assistant’s clipboard after Bama beat us. Will erase any good feelings.
 
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lukeneyland said:
Smoking a cigar after he carried Saban’s assistant’s, assistant’s clipboard after Bama beat us. Will erase any good feelings.
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I always thought it was petty that when he staged his home to sell on Realtor or Redfin, that he put a Bama helmet in his walk in closet or somewhere. He had a much bigger impact on us losing after he left than Bama winning anything when he was there fetching Lil Debbie’s for Saban.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Out of the 3 disasters - Dooley, Jones, and Pruitt - Jones was way better than the other 2
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Nope, Jones was the worst. He literally went 4-8 in year 5, the worst year in the history of Tennessee athletics, possibly ever. At least Dooley and Pruitt never went 0-8 in conference. Jones got so lucky that he found lightning in a bottle with Josh Dobbs, because without Dobbs, Jones probably would have been fired in Year 2. Jones literally won 11 games over 5 years without Joshua Dobbs as his starting QB. That's a (.180) winning percentage without Dobbs. It gets worse. Without Dobbs, Jones only won 1 SEC game in 5 seasons. 13 of Jones's 14 SEC victories came with Josh Dobbs at QB. That means Jones's SEC winning percentage was (.042) without Dobbs under center.

Jones also had the worst home loss ever in TN football history in 2017 against UGA, 41-0. He also recruited Jarrett Guarantano to Tennessee and did not recruit Trevor Lawrence. Butch Jones made us a laughing stock and gave us the worst season and losses in TN history. There has never been a worse coach in TN history.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
I will never understand the loathing of some Tennessee fans for Butch. He was in over his head and abilities but compared to his predecessor and successor, he was easily heads and shoulders better than those two guys. IMO, he tried to win in the ways he knew how and gave his all, but was never going to over come his shortcomings.

The interview just shines a light on how his personality will likely never allow him to be super successful. His constant reminders about his successes. no matter how small, coupled with the name-dropping that never stops, makes him seem very insecure, which isn't typically a trait of those who reach pinnacles of success.
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Butch gave us our worst season in history, our worst home loss in our history, and our worst QB in our history. Then he went to Bama and smoked a cigar on the opposing sideline after destroying our program. I don't understand how anyone can feel anything but contempt towards that fool.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I always thought it was petty that when he staged his home to sell on Realtor or Redfin, that he put a Bama helmet in his walk in closet or somewhere. He had a much bigger impact on us losing after he left than Bama winning anything when he was there fetching Lil Debbie’s for Saban.
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Even AL fans made fun of him while he was there. Agree he did nothing for AL FB. He had to find a job in FB to keep getting his buyout $ and he got Saban to hire him as an analyst. Paid him $30K/yr so he could collect his millions from TN. It all was just him screwing TN. And then you have the cigar thing after the win.

No respect for him at all.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Even AL fans made fun of him while he was there. Agree he did nothing for AL FB. He had to find a job in FB to keep getting his buyout $ and he got Saban to hire him as an analyst. Paid him $30K/yr so he could collect his millions from TN. It all was just him screwing TN. And then you have the cigar thing after the win.

No respect for him at all.
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He just had no clue of the expectations or requirements for leading a major college football program. And he grew bitter and resentful when the fans voiced those expectations.
 
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