Hillary says:

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Just caught part of this interview, but Hillary confirms that she would look into garnishing wages to support her Health Care Program. The size of the Bush admistration is gotten massive, but "holy hell batman', how much larger could it go?
 
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iceman9 said:
Just caught part of this interview, but Hillary confirms that she would look into garnishing wages to support her Health Care Program. The size of the Bush admistration is gotten massive, but "holy hell batman', how much larger could it go?
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So, is she saying that if you don't get your own private insurance, then she will consider garnishing wages to place you on government-provided care as opposed to fining you at tax time (as is done here in MA)?
 
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From what I caught, she was say that workers who could afford health insurance and refused it would be targeted for this action, I would assume(and only assuming) that as long as you have ins. you would not be subject to it.
 
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she hasn't come out and truly said how she'd enforce it

When Mr. Stephanopoulos asked a third time whether she would garnish people’s wages, Mrs. Clinton responded, “George, we will have an enforcement mechanism, whether it’s that or it’s some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments.”
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Well....is there a difference between tax system enforcement and wage garnishment? Ultimately, they will have to pick a way to enforce it....

That is what is so stupid about politics...you can actually get away by just not saying "wage garnishing" .... but somehow saying you would enforce through the tax system is better?

Blah..I'm in a bad mood...
 
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TennTradition said:
Well....is there a difference between tax system enforcement and wage garnishment? Ultimately, they will have to pick a way to enforce it....

That is what is so stupid about politics...you can actually get away by just not saying "wage garnishing" .... but somehow saying you would enforce through the tax system is better?

Blah..I'm in a bad mood...
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she has that effect on many people :)

similar to a politician proclaiming "no new taxes" (I'll just raise the old ones)
 
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utvolpj said:
she has that effect on many people :)

similar to a politician proclaiming "no new taxes" (I'll just raise the old ones)
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:lolabove: Absolutely, Politician=snake-oil salesman with slightly more education
 
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A little history lesson: If you don't know the answer
make your best guess. Answer all the questions before
looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf
of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to
government of the few, by the few, and for the
few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for
shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and
that means something has to be taken away from some
people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to bu ild a political consensus and that
requires people to give up a little bit of their
own...in order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what
has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire
economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3 ) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
 
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Great post.

MoonDogLeft said:
A little history lesson: If you don't know the answer
make your best guess. Answer all the questions before
looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf
of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to
government of the few, by the few, and for the
few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for
shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and
that means something has to be taken away from some
people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to bu ild a political consensus and that
requires people to give up a little bit of their
own...in order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what
has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire
economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3 ) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
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MoonDogLeft said:
A little history lesson: If you don't know the answer
make your best guess. Answer all the questions before
looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf
of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to
government of the few, by the few, and for the
few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for
shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and
that means something has to be taken away from some
people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to bu ild a political consensus and that
requires people to give up a little bit of their
own...in order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what
has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire
economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3 ) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
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"Islam is peace."
George W. Bush, September 17th, 2001

"Islam is Peace" Says President
 
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MoonDogLeft said:
A little history lesson: If you don't know the answer
make your best guess. Answer all the questions before
looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf
of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to
government of the few, by the few, and for the
few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for
shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and
that means something has to be taken away from some
people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to bu ild a political consensus and that
requires people to give up a little bit of their
own...in order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what
has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire
economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3 ) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by
Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
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Can you provide the full context to each of those quotes? Al Franken and Ann Coulter use the same technique to make their rivals look bad too.
 
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On the notion of "Hillary Care" - this is BS.

I keep hearing the mandatory car insurance analogy but the big difference is that car insurance (liability) is designed to protect someone other than the insured.

The mandatory health insurance rationale that uninsured drive the costs up for the insured may be true in theory but it is also true for so many actions that we can never accurately charge everyone proportionally to their impact on total costs.

I think this plan blows. If I want to be uninsured that should be my right so long as I'm willing to suffer the consequences.
 
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Can you provide the full context to each of those quotes? Al Franken and Ann Coulter use the same technique to make their rivals look bad too.
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I could have listed about 100 more - I'm not kidding.

Have you not been listening to her for the last 8 years? What context do you need? The woman is a socialist through and through.
 
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I have said it before but, why should we let the govt control our healthcare? I mean look what they have done for education.....our kids are some of the lowest scoring in the advanced world, or is it they have done such a good job with my retirement....... Socail Sec. with be bankrupt before I turn 50, or is it because they have done such a great job with Welfare Systems........After all there isn't anyone out there having children to unknown fathers, or not getting married to their childrens dad because they know that the check they get will increase because they know how to play the system. Why not give them healthcare too, I mean nobody will ever play the system or figure out ways to face rape America. Why should the events of few be paid for by many? Again, our federal govt was never supposed to be this big, that is one of the many reasons we had a revolution and left to start our own.

Just food for thought.
 
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jkell24 said:
Can you provide the full context to each of those quotes? Al Franken and Ann Coulter use the same technique to make their rivals look bad too.
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there is no context to hide the fact that she is a socialist at heart. she can try all she would like to mask it, and she is, but she is never getting away from her belief in the collectivism.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
there is no context to hide the fact that she is a socialist at heart. she can try all she would like to mask it, and she is, but she is never getting away from her belief in the collectivism.
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It's better to have Laissez-faire capitalism where companies have a seperation from government and lie, cheat and steal. It's better to have companies like Halliburton that rip off tax payers because we don't need government involvement, right? We should also do away with child labor laws because government has no right to tell a company who they can or cannot hire. What I just wrote was an extreme ridiculous point of how it can go both ways. I'm not on here making these claims towards conservatives and likewise it is a stretch to compare Hillary to extreme socialism.
 
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How would government involvement have stopped the collusion between Enron and Arthur Anderson? Yes, now SOx will require that future collusion like this occurs between three guilty parties instead of two. Bad things sometime happen in this world. Any sort of government is unlikely to keep highly intelligent and powerful people from wrongdoing when they so desire.
 
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lying cheaing and stealing will be handled bythe media and capital markets. it's not a gov't function. child labor laws should also be left to the markets. proliferation of info.

make yourself feel good, but Hillary's true colors have been on display since her lesbian days at wellesley, she's now spending millions to try and cover them up. pretend I'm making it up, but the history is there for th viewing.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
lying cheaing and stealing will be handled bythe media and capital markets. it's not a gov't function. child labor laws should also be left to the markets. proliferation of info.

make yourself feel good, but Hillary's true colors have been on display since her lesbian days at wellesley, she's now spending millions to try and cover them up. pretend I'm making it up, but the history is there for th viewing.
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I'm not voting for Hillary rather I am pointing out how exaggerated these post get. Terms like communist, socialist and Marxist get thrown around a little too loosely when they don't fit. I didn't know she was a lesbian but what does that have to do with anything we are talking about?
 
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jkell24 said:
I'm not on here making these claims towards conservatives and likewise it is a stretch to compare Hillary to extreme socialism.
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garnishing wages, forcing people to pay for health insurance, isn't socialism to you? do you think under Hillarycare a person making 20k/year is going to pay the same amount as someone making 200k/year?

Halliburton rips off the taxpayers because they're involved with the government. Do you not think the taxpayers are getting ripped off by the US Postal Service, NASA, Amtrak, and the NEA?
 
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therealUT said:
Are you honestly trying to argue that Hillary is not a socialist?
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Are you honsetly fascinated with me? Would you like my address and phone number too so that you can watch my every move?

I don't believe she is in a catergory with Saddam, Hitler, Lenin, or the others listed as options on the questionnaire. That is the root of my argument. The effect was to compare her to some evil people much worse than her. I think she is a socialist in a sense of using government to improve the lives of people from the bottom up, not in a dictator communist style. The closest thing we have had to that is G.W. Bush.
 
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jkell24 said:
Are you honsetly fascinated with me? Would you like my address and phone number too so that you can watch my every move?
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If you don't want people to respond to your posts, then don't post in a public forum. I am currently spending some leave and just relaxing at my house. I usually have my laptop with me while I am watching TV. So, if you are somehow offended, threatened, etc. because I am replying quickly to your posts, you need to realize that the world is not revolving around you. I reply quickly to plenty of other people who post on this board. So, no, I am not fascinated with you.

I don't believe she is in a catergory with Saddam, Hitler, Lenin, or the others listed as options on the questionnaire. That is the root of my argument. The effect was to compare her to some evil people much worse than her. I think she is a socialist in a sense of using government to improve the lives of people from the bottom up, not in a dictator communist style. The closest thing we have had to that is G.W. Bush.
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You just threw away your argument against extreme rhetoric right there.
 
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therealUT said:
If you don't want people to respond to your posts, then don't post in a public forum. I am currently spending some leave and just relaxing at my house. I usually have my laptop with me while I am watching TV. So, if you are somehow offended, threatened, etc. because I am replying quickly to your posts, you need to realize that the world is not revolving around you. I reply quickly to plenty of other people who post on this board. So, no, I am not fascinated with you.


You just threw away your argument against extreme rhetoric right there.
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It is kind of odd how you are the first to respond to me in the political forum at all times of the day. Sure, you have the right to do so and I have the right to ask about it too. I am also sure the world does not revolve around me, and feel free to ask yourself the same question.

As far as throwing away may argument, I don't know what you are talking about. I am comparing Bush to our politicians by making that kind of statement and comparing him to past Presidents and current candidates.
 
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