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Stack up with UNC, UCLA, and Memphis. These seem to be the teams everyone is going to predict this year...along with UT I hope. What do you think about the comparisons?

BTW...I like your Half Court Trap blogs...it's nice to be able to look forward to a season with real optimism instead of blind hope
 
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I am curious as well, especially with the recent drama with Crews and Ramar Smith.

Can I piggyback on your thread, and also add the question about how crucial IS Ramar Smith to this team's success? I guess I just did.

I ask that because the guy worries me... Don't want to jinx, just wondering how well we could hope to do without him?

Good thread, btw. Once the season starts, maybe there could be a weekly "Ask Hatvol" thread.
 
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I am curious as well, especially with the recent drama with Crews and Ramar Smith.

Can I piggyback on your thread, and also add the question about how crucial IS Ramar Smith to this team's success? I guess I just did.

I ask that because the guy worries me... Don't want to jinx, just wondering how well we could hope to do without him?

Good thread, btw. Once the season starts, maybe there could be a weekly "Ask Hatvol" thread.

I hear you...people can say what they want about Hat but the dude knows college basketball
 
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I am curious as well, especially with the recent drama with Crews and Ramar Smith.

Can I piggyback on your thread, and also add the question about how crucial IS Ramar Smith to this team's success? I guess I just did.

I ask that because the guy worries me... Don't want to jinx, just wondering how well we could hope to do without him?

Good thread, btw. Once the season starts, maybe there could be a weekly "Ask Hatvol" thread.

That would be a good idea. My boy hate knows his round ball.
 
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you didn't ask me and I know nearly nothing of hoops, especially at the collegiate level, but our first 5 stacks up well with everyone in the country. We will struggle against teams with stout inside presence, but the those are few and very far between.

I believe Memphis is the best team in the state, but I also think they're the top team in the country, if Dorsey stays out of foul trouble. Even with Dorsey foul saddled, they have some help in the middle as well. They are extremely athletic, but will struggle with their shooting many nights. If Cal truly gets them to buy in and play some D, they will be the team to beat.

UCLA will flat play some D and that gives them an advantage in a slow paced ballgame. They don't have dominant size to take advantage of our soft center, so I think they would struggle to beat us, but it would be a good ball game. They need to find someone to replace Afflalo and I haven't yet seen it. PGs don't replace scoring swing men very well.

UNC would be the most intriguing matchup with us because they like to get up and down a lot and that plays into our hands. UNC has Hansbrough, but I think he's the most overrated player in college hoops. Very unathletic, but will kill you at the FT line because the officials think he has to be getting fouled (I might agree given that a full fledged leap gets about 2 inches of airspace from heel to ground). I don't believe he's the dominant big man he's sold to be. UNC kills with their speed and depth. I don't that's a particularly strong advantage against our speed and depth. Their defense is as suspect as ours with their losses from last year.

Don't know if much made sense because it was done quickly, but I don't like any of these three to wipe the floor with us. I like us at home against any of them and on the road it's a tossup, for the most part. I do not like us AT Memphis this year, but Lofton's shooting is a constant X factor for us, unfortunately it cuts both ways.
 
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if anyone has been keeping up with the rivals pre-season top 64, today the #8 team was announced (Michigan State) and our Vols have yet to be announced. I'm thinking #5...
 
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you didn't ask me and I know nearly nothing of hoops, especially at the collegiate level, but our first 5 stacks up well with everyone in the country. We will struggle against teams with stout inside presence, but the those are few and very far between.

I believe Memphis is the best team in the state, but I also think they're the top team in the country, if Dorsey stays out of foul trouble. Even with Dorsey foul saddled, they have some help in the middle as well. They are extremely athletic, but will struggle with their shooting many nights. If Cal truly gets them to buy in and play some D, they will be the team to beat.

UCLA will flat play some D and that gives them an advantage in a slow paced ballgame. They don't have dominant size to take advantage of our soft center, so I think they would struggle to beat us, but it would be a good ball game. They need to find someone to replace Afflalo and I haven't yet seen it. PGs don't replace scoring swing men very well.

UNC would be the most intriguing matchup with us because they like to get up and down a lot and that plays into our hands. UNC has Hansbrough, but I think he's the most overrated player in college hoops. Very unathletic, but will kill you at the FT line because the officials think he has to be getting fouled (I might agree given that a full fledged leap gets about 2 inches of airspace from heel to ground). I don't believe he's the dominant big man he's sold to be. UNC kills with their speed and depth. I don't that's a particularly strong advantage against our speed and depth. Their defense is as suspect as ours with their losses from last year.

Don't know if much made sense because it was done quickly, but I don't like any of these three to wipe the floor with us. I like us at home against any of them and on the road it's a tossup, for the most part. I do not like us AT Memphis this year, but Lofton's shooting is a constant X factor for us, unfortunately it cuts both ways.

I have to disagree with you here. Granted Hansborough isn't as athletic as some but he's not the statue of a player you make him out to be...

He won't inspire very many "oohs and aahs" but he is quick, strong (he pushes around SUV's as part of his pre-season workout), tough and has excellent moves. And, like you said, he's great at the free throw line which is huge for a big guy. And if you think he's not getting fouled then watch replays of their 2nd game with Duke last year. That foul from Henderson was typical of the kind of stuff he has faced since he came to college...

I think that you're right about the face paced game with UNC...but I think eventually Hansborough, Thompson, and Stephenson would exploit our weak middle and that would be the difference in the game
 
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I would have Memphis, Carolina, UCLA, and Kansas all ahead of us even with JP Prince. But we may be closer to KU since they lost Julian Wright
I don't understand all of the love for UCLA. Yes they have talent and yes Howland will have them screaming on D, but how do they score and where is their post play coming from? and why Kansas? who there do you fear?
 
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I think UNC is going to be down this year in the ACC. I think Hansborough is overrated and IMO they lost their best player to the draft. Vols would beat them.
 
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I think UNC is going to be down this year in the ACC. I think Hansborough is overrated and IMO they lost their best player to the draft. Vols would beat them.

All due respect...if you believe this then you have no idea what you're talking about. UNC is hands down the best team...well at least on paper...in the ACC this year. And at this point that's all we have to go on. To say there going to be down sounds pretty uninformed on your part.

As far as Hansbrough being overrated...all the guy has done in his career is average about 20 points and 10 rebounds while winning freshman of the year and all ACC 1st team two straight years...the only freshman to ever earn unanimous first team all ACC in the history of the conference.

Do I need to mention some of the greats that came out of that conference that can't say that?
 
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All due respect...if you believe this then you have no idea what you're talking about. UNC is hands down the best team...well at least on paper...in the ACC this year. And at this point that's all we have to go on. To say there going to be down sounds pretty uninformed on your part.

As far as Hansbrough being overrated...all the guy has done in his career is average about 20 points and 10 rebounds while winning freshman of the year and all ACC 1st team two straight years...the only freshman to ever earn unanimous first team all ACC in the history of the conference.

Do I need to mention some of the greats that came out of that conference that can't say that?
I don't mean to interrupt your love affair with the thought of Hansbrough, but he wouldn't make the list of the top 50 players in ACC history. Much of his success is due to the changes in NBA drafting rules that have left a dearth of big men in the college ranks. He will be a middlin' NBA big man that makes Joe Wolf look like Wilt.

I have a mild idea of what I'm talking about, and I don't think they're as good as last year's team. Who's gonna play D?
 
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I don't mean to interrupt your love affair with the thought of Hansbrough, but he wouldn't make the list of the top 50 players in ACC history. Much of his success is due to the changes in NBA drafting rules that have left a dearth of big men in the college ranks. He will be a middlin' NBA big man that makes Joe Wolf look like Wilt.

I have a mild idea of what I'm talking about, and I don't think they're as good as last year's team. Who's gonna play D?

My response was to a poster that said UNC would be down this year even though they are pretty much head and shoulders better than anyone else in the ACC...

And he was also calling a guy who has averaged 20 and 10 overrated...that makes no sense

I didn't mean to compare Hansbrough to the better players to come out of the ACC...I was just stating the fact that he is the only freshman to earn unanimous 1st team all ACC in the history of the conference. Again, it was in response to the assertion that he is overrated

As far as D is concerned....Ginyard is one of the better defenders in the nation..alot like Jackie Manual was on their NC team. And the combination of Thompson and Stephenson will help to offset the loss of Wright.

I just think they're going to be good and I would love to see us play them
 
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My response was to a poster that said UNC would be down this year even though they are pretty much head and shoulders better than anyone else in the ACC...

And he was also calling a guy who has averaged 20 and 10 overrated...that makes no sense

I didn't mean to compare Hansbrough to the better players to come out of the ACC...I was just stating the fact that he is the only freshman to earn unanimous 1st team all ACC in the history of the conference. Again, it was in response to the assertion that he is overrated

As far as D is concerned....Ginyard is one of the better defenders in the nation..alot like Jackie Manual was on their NC team. And the combination of Thompson and Stephenson will help to offset the loss of Wright.

I just think they're going to be good and I would love to see us play them
Today, they are the class of the ACC, which is not the distinction that it was 4 or 5 years ago. There are some serious impact freshmen heading into the conference (especially at Duke) who could change that.

I'm also saying that Hansbrough is massively overrated. If Vitale could get off his knees from in front of the guy, you might realize that his earning unanimous all-ACC at the center spot at the time was a default judgment. In other words, there wasn't anybody else (oh by the way, he was also the only option those 'heels had).
 
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Today, they are the class of the ACC, which is not the distinction that it was 4 or 5 years ago. There are some serious impact freshmen heading into the conference (especially at Duke) who could change that.

I'm also saying that Hansbrough is massively overrated. If Vitale could get off his knees from in front of the guy, you might realize that his earning unanimous all-ACC at the center spot at the time was a default judgment. In other words, there wasn't anybody else (oh by the way, he was also the only option those 'heels had).

Agree to disagree I guess..

19 points 9 rebounds while being double teamed most of the time in one of the top two basketball conferences in the nation as a true freshman is massively overrated...

Following that up with the same numbers in less minutes as a sophomore is massively overrated...

I'd love to see what you think is underrated...or correctly rated...if that is your criteria for overrated
 
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Today, they are the class of the ACC, which is not the distinction that it was 4 or 5 years ago. There are some serious impact freshmen heading into the conference (especially at Duke) who could change that.

I'm also saying that Hansbrough is massively overrated. If Vitale could get off his knees from in front of the guy, you might realize that his earning unanimous all-ACC at the center spot at the time was a default judgment. In other words, there wasn't anybody else (oh by the way, he was also the only option those 'heels had).

Why? If you are using what he projects as in the NBA then Lofton is overrated too. 18/8 is strong no matter who you are especially in college. Are you saying he doesn't show up in games or isn't clutch and that's why he is overrated?
 
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Why? If you are using what he projects as in the NBA then Lofton is overrated too. 18/8 is strong no matter who you are especially in college. Are you saying he doesn't show up in games or isn't clutch and that's why he is overrated?
I'm saying he's overrated, because against better players from better teams, he is going to struggle. He is not the beast he has been painted to be. He makes a living off of teams like ours with very soft centers.

Lofton is, to some degree, overrated. He is a beast in our system and shoots very well under duress, but he's going to struggle against long, quick defenders and is not going to be an impact player at the pro level. He is dominant like Steve Alford was dominant.
 
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Everyone is overlooking Louisville. The Cards are going to be extremely good. I think UT can play with anyone. Kansas, UCLA, UNC, and Memphis are the teams I would rate ahead of the Vols. I'm still debating whether or not to put Lousiville ahead of UT in my preseason top 20.
 
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Everyone is overlooking Louisville. The Cards are going to be extremely good. I think UT can play with anyone. Kansas, UCLA, UNC, and Memphis are the teams I would rate ahead of the Vols. I'm still debating whether or not to put Lousiville ahead of UT in my preseason top 20.


I look forward to seeing your top 20. I will put more stock in it than I will the AP and coaches.
 
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Everyone is overlooking Louisville. The Cards are going to be extremely good. I think UT can play with anyone. Kansas, UCLA, UNC, and Memphis are the teams I would rate ahead of the Vols. I'm still debating whether or not to put Lousiville ahead of UT in my preseason top 20.
I like UL as well, but I'm not in love with UCLA, KU or UNC. Of those squads, I think KU is the best, but they don't have anyone that I can see taking over games on tough nights and I'm not sold on Self.
 
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