Heupel’s contract

[Godfatha]

These morons never stop to think that we can, and likely will, do worse.

I think CJH is a great coach. We are lucky to have him. And I like his chances to intimately win a natty at UT.

Whispering sweet nothings to the trophy...Heupel claims the trophy for his own

 

[DaddyChad]

Whispering sweet nothings to the trophy...Heupel claims the trophy for his own

It’s a prestigious award

 

[Remy]

We haven't had a coach who could consistently beat everyone on the schedule since Robert Neyland. What you are hoping for is dream world, not reality.

I'd love it to be in a season, but I'm talking about on our schedule. Heupel to his credit has taken care of Bama and UF, I don't expect to beat all three every season year in and year out. What I'm talking about is when UGA and Kirby Smart look at their schedule year in and year out, circle their game with us no matter home or away and put it in the win column. That CANNOT NOR SHOULD THAT EVER BE FOR ANY OF OUR SEC OPPONENTS much less any of our Big 3. if Heupel cannot beat Smart find somebody that can. Heupel has a few more seasons to get it done before I'm through with him as long term coach at UT. UGA brought in Smart when Richt could not bring home a NC and bunches of 11-1 and 10-2 seasons. We should do the same thing if Heupel cannot get by Smart after another couple of years.

 

[VolDave53]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

That is specifically the mindset that runs off great coaches and 15 years of true mediocrity ensues. JM had issues that were only partially made public, and rightly so. What you are saying is that out of 16 coaches in the SEC, only one is worthy of contract extensions, raises or other perks. Not very bright.

 

[Remy]

That is specifically the mindset that runs off great coaches and 15 years of true mediocrity ensues. JM had issues that were only partially made public, and rightly so. What you are saying is that out of 16 coaches in the SEC, only one is worthy of contract extensions, raises or other perks. Not very bright.

That’s not what I’m saying at all. If you have to put words in somebody else’s mouth, then that says volumes about you rather than me.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I'd love it to be in a season, but I'm talking about on our schedule. Heupel to his credit has taken care of Bama and UF, I don't expect to beat all three every season year in and year out. What I'm talking about is when UGA and Kirby Smart look at their schedule year in and year out, circle their game with us no matter home or away and put it in the win column. That CANNOT NOR SHOULD THAT EVER BE FOR ANY OF OUR SEC OPPONENTS much less any of our Big 3. if Heupel cannot beat Smart find somebody that can. Heupel has a few more seasons to get it done before I'm through with him as long term coach at UT. UGA brought in Smart when Richt could not bring home a NC and bunches of 11-1 and 10-2 seasons. We should do the same thing if Heupel cannot get by Smart after another couple of years.

I'm still waiting on your suggestion of "someone who can" that you want us to find. Show me your candidates that UT can possibly hire?

It's REALLY easy to say "find someone who can" as though guys who have a pedigree suggesting they can beat Kirby Smart are .........

C'mon. Toss out a few names you think we can actually get?

 

[VawlIn]

Again that wasn’t what I was replying to. You said we should wait on an extension till the offense improves. If the guys keeps winning 10 games a year you do whatever you need to to retain him.

Yeah, but he has a tough next 2 years to navigate. What if we go 7-5/8-4 over the next 2 years?

 

[NCFisher]

Yeah, but he has a tough next 2 years to navigate. What if we go 7-5/8-4 over the next 2 years?

So does every other coach.

What if he does? And then bags a NC in 2028? If you're going to ding a coach on a "what-if?", then you have to reward him on what-ifs. You worry about what-ifs when they happen; meanwhile, you reward them for accomplishments. Same as everyone else with a job.

The scenario is the same as it's always been at UT; compete at as high level as you can and hope to at least get into a championship game 1-2 times a decade. FL, TX, GA produce 4-5 times the elite in-srate talent that TN does. AL and LSU to lesser degree, also produce much better talent. GA took 21 instate guys this class, TN took 6. In-state guys, even in the NIL/portal era, transfer less often. All other things - coaching, NIL, attractiveness of the school - being equal, just having a shot 1-2 times per decades is about as good as it gets. Every other Top 15 program isn't going to lay down because Vol fans really, REALLY want titles.

Sabans and Kirbys aren't growing on trees. Even if Heupel were as good as either of them, their talent base and retention of that talent is simply going to be better. We have to literally pray for the Goffs, Donnans, Duboses, Shulas to be hired while we simultaneously catch lightning in a. bottle. That's the reality of TN football.

 

[VawlIn]

So does every other coach.

What if he does? And then bags a NC in 2028? If you're going to ding a coach on a "what-if?", then you have to reward him on what-ifs. You worry about what-ifs when they happen; meanwhile, you reward them for accomplishments. Same as everyone else with a job.

The scenario is the same as it's always been at UT; compete at as high level as you can and hope to at least get into a championship game 1-2 times a decade. FL, TX, GA produce 4-5 times the elite in-srate talent that TN does. AL and LSU to lesser degree, also produce much better talent. GA took 21 instate guys this class, TN took 6. In-state guys, even in the NIL/portal era, transfer less often. All other things - coaching, NIL, attractiveness of the school - being equal, just having a shot 1-2 times per decades is about as good as it gets. Every other Top 15 program isn't going to lay down because Vol fans really, REALLY want titles.

Sabans and Kirbys aren't growing on trees. Even if Heupel were as good as either of them, their talent base and retention of that talent is simply going to be better. We have to literally pray for the Goffs, Donnans, Duboses, Shulas to be hired while we simultaneously catch lightning in a. bottle. That's the reality of TN football.

I’m just saying giving him an extension would be irresponsible by the administration. By the time his current contract expires there will be better options than Heupel that we would be more than capable of getting if we didn’t have to pay an exorbitant buyout to Heupel. The best option would be to keep him on the contract he’s on and letting him walk once his current deal is up if he hasn’t gotten us to the SECCG or won 11+ games in the regular season. Because at the moment it looks like he’s an 8-4/9-3 coach that’s going to get 10 wins every now and then, but never actually have us in legitimate contention for a conference or national championship. We’re no longer the poverty program we were the last 15-20 years and would likely be in a spot to land any coach we want in 2029 as long as Kirby, Sark, or Ryan Day doesn’t leave for the NFL that season

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I’m just saying giving him an extension would be irresponsible by the administration. By the time his current contract expires there will be better options than Heupel that we would be more than capable of getting if we didn’t have to pay an exorbitant buyout to Heupel. The best option would be to keep him on the contract he’s on and letting him walk once his current deal is up if he hasn’t gotten us to the SECCG or won 11+ games in the regular season. Because at the moment it looks like he’s an 8-4/9-3 coach that’s going to get 10 wins every now and then, but never actually have us in legitimate contention for a conference or national championship. We’re no longer the poverty program we were the last 15-20 years and would likely be in a spot to land any coach we want in 2029 as long as Kirby, Sark, or Ryan Day doesn’t leave for the NFL that season

It's interesting that you call Heupel a 8 or 9 win coach then boast that UT can hire anyone we want now.

You can't hire away someone like Kirby or Sark or Day when their program will already give them absolutely ANYTHING they need to win.

What makes you think for one second we can win 8 or 9 games consistently and be considered an elite landing spot for a coach? There's absolutely nothing to back up that claim.

 

[wmcovol]

If you’d told me in Jan 2021, staring at scholarship reductions & NCAA major violations, that Tennessee would have 37 wins, 2 top 10 finishes, 2 wins over both Florida & Alabama , & the first CFP spot after the first 4 years under this coach, I’d told you you were crazy as hell.

 

[NCFisher]

I’m just saying giving him an extension would be irresponsible by the administration. By the time his current contract expires there will be better options than Heupel that we would be more than capable of getting if we didn’t have to pay an exorbitant buyout to Heupel. The best option would be to keep him on the contract he’s on and letting him walk once his current deal is up if he hasn’t gotten us to the SECCG or won 11+ games in the regular season. Because at the moment it looks like he’s an 8-4/9-3 coach that’s going to get 10 wins every now and then, but never actually have us in legitimate contention for a conference or national championship. We’re no longer the poverty program we were the last 15-20 years and would likely be in a spot to land any coach we want in 2029 as long as Kirby, Sark, or Ryan Day doesn’t leave for the NFL that season

I like it however White and Heupel like it; they seem to be on good terms.

I think anyone we'd want to hire is even more aware of the degree of difficulty in being championship caliber at TN, when you you have $ and talent-flush competitors in conference. Those competitors simply have an easier road to get there. Objectively, FL, TX, A&M, GA, AL, and LSU should almost never lose to us; with their advantages, they simply need to hire a guy as good as TN employs to whip us just about every damned year. Any coach we'd want understands this better than the fans.

If Heupel were released, it means the program isn't doing well and somebody has to say "gee, uphill climb to be successful in the conference...sounds swell!" It's conjecture to say we'd have better options, or they'd want to come here.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Why do some of our posters have to huff paint for a living?

This is the real mystery.

" the Legions of the Miserable".

Coach Hype deserves to be paid as a top10 coach in the nation. Appropriate for his station. Pay the man.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

If you’d told me in Jan 2021, staring at scholarship reductions & NCAA major violations, that Tennessee would have 37 wins, 2 top 10 finishes, 2 wins over both Florida & Alabama , & the first CFP spot after the first 4 years under this coach, I’d told you you were crazy as hell.

Exactly.

 

[Mccage]

Not coming clean about Nico's family extortion ring back in January. The rumors were already out there, about Nico threatening to hold out of the playoff game. Instead of doing the right thing and telling Nico to leave, Heupel tried to cover it up (going into Spring camp pretenders all was well eith the QB situation was a cover up),until the situation blowed up in his face and now the Vols dont have a legit QB heading into next season. Heupel being lazy will eventually catch up to him.

Long story short, your coach lied to all of us.

Loser

 

[Mccage]

Living up to your user name I see. Keep up the good work by staying focused on your goals in life which is to be accomplishing exactly that.

Cant do much from the basement. Even Moms getting pissed!!

 

[wmcovol]

Loser

LoserVol is appropriately named. First, Heupel is not in charge of negotiating money. Second, they have Nico $400k more in Dec & were told they had an agreement. The attempts with other schools by Nico was before the spring portal date.

Some of the same people bitching about Heupel’s contract want the collective to spend big money on slugs that sat out the season LY with sore hamstrings, have bad attitudes or demanded starting positions after having 1 sack LY. Ole Miss spent big $ on WR Wells last year but he really wasn’t worth it. They’d been way better off playing Judkins that money.

 

[Volador]

Surprised CJH didn’t get a raise or at least an extension.

UT can't afford to give CJH a raise if we are bringing in Grudes as QB Coach next season....

 

[VawlIn]

I like it however White and Heupel like it; they seem to be on good terms.

I think anyone we'd want to hire is even more aware of the degree of difficulty in being championship caliber at TN, when you you have $ and talent-flush competitors in conference. Those competitors simply have an easier road to get there. Objectively, FL, TX, A&M, GA, AL, and LSU should almost never lose to us; with their advantages, they simply need to hire a guy as good as TN employs to whip us just about every damned year. Any coach we'd want understands this better than the fans.

If Heupel were released, it means the program isn't doing well and somebody has to say "gee, uphill climb to be successful in the conference...sounds swell!" It's conjecture to say we'd have better options, or they'd want to come here.

You drastically underestimate how good of a spot Tennessee actually would be for a HC if we remain an 8-9 program with the occasional 10 win season. If we offered Kiffin or Cignetti 1-2M less than what Smart and Day get paid by the time Heupel’s contract runs out they would take the job and yes both of them would be upgrades from Heupel. Coaching searches are a lot easier when you’re a consistent 8-10 win team with a lot of financial resources. Also in state talent has improved 10x over the past 5 years. For some reason our fans think this isn’t a desirable job because of the last 15 years, but that’s no longer the case. We’re a top 10-12 program again and there are coaches with enough self confidence to take on the challenge and that are capable of taking us to the top 5 and not extending Heupel until he takes that next step would put us in the financial position to make that type of move

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

You drastically underestimate how good of a spot Tennessee actually would be for a HC if we remain an 8-9 program with the occasional 10 win season. If we offered Kiffin or Cignetti 1-2M less than what Smart and Day get paid by the time Heupel’s contract runs out they would take the job and yes both of them would be upgrades from Heupel. Coaching searches are a lot easier when you’re a consistent 8-10 win team with a lot of financial resources. Also in state talent has improved 10x over the past 5 years. For some reason our fans think this isn’t a desirable job because of the last 15 years, but that’s no longer the case. We’re a top 10-12 program again and there are coaches with enough self confidence to take on the challenge and that are capable of taking us to the top 5 and not extending Heupel until he takes that next step would put us in the financial position to make that type of move

That you're even mentioning we should replace JH, or even have a plan in place for it is dumb as F

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You drastically underestimate how good of a spot Tennessee actually would be for a HC if we remain an 8-9 program with the occasional 10 win season. If we offered Kiffin or Cignetti 1-2M less than what Smart and Day get paid by the time Heupel’s contract runs out they would take the job and yes both of them would be upgrades from Heupel. Coaching searches are a lot easier when you’re a consistent 8-10 win team with a lot of financial resources. Also in state talent has improved 10x over the past 5 years. For some reason our fans think this isn’t a desirable job because of the last 15 years, but that’s no longer the case. We’re a top 10-12 program again and there are coaches with enough self confidence to take on the challenge and that are capable of taking us to the top 5 and not extending Heupel until he takes that next step would put us in the financial position to make that type of move

You might have a point with Cignetti but Kiffin is the king of Mississippi currently and Ole Miss appears to be giving him quite a bit of support.

We can't offer him anything Ole Miss wouldn't offer him AND he's already entrenched there with the program. He has bad blood here to overcome.

With Cignetti, I'm just not that familiar with what they might give him, nor concerned. I'm iffy whether he's an upgrade over Josh. He just finished his first real big time head coaching year though he has embraced the Kiffin "rent proven talent" method of coaching pretty well.

 

[JacketVol]

I'd love it to be in a season, but I'm talking about on our schedule. Heupel to his credit has taken care of Bama and UF, I don't expect to beat all three every season year in and year out. What I'm talking about is when UGA and Kirby Smart look at their schedule year in and year out, circle their game with us no matter home or away and put it in the win column. That CANNOT NOR SHOULD THAT EVER BE FOR ANY OF OUR SEC OPPONENTS much less any of our Big 3. if Heupel cannot beat Smart find somebody that can. Heupel has a few more seasons to get it done before I'm through with him as long term coach at UT. UGA brought in Smart when Richt could not bring home a NC and bunches of 11-1 and 10-2 seasons. We should do the same thing if Heupel cannot get by Smart after another couple of years.

Smart doesn’t circle Tennessee game. They circle ever game. That is where they are as a program and with talent around them where it should be. However, his culture is catching up to him. If they kill one other person with their driving habits, he’s done.

 

[wmcovol]

You might have a point with Cignetti but Kiffin is the king of Mississippi currently and Ole Miss appears to be giving him quite a bit of support.

We can't offer him anything Ole Miss wouldn't offer him AND he's already entrenched there with the program. He has bad blood here to overcome.

With Cignetti, I'm just not that familiar with what they might give him, nor concerned. I'm iffy whether he's an upgrade over Josh. He just finished his first real big time head coaching year though he has embraced the Kiffin "rent proven talent" method of coaching pretty well.

Why are we even discussing the next coach? We’ve got a great coach that’s done a great job getting us outta the desert.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Why are we even discussing the next coach? We’ve got a great coach that’s done a great job getting us outta the desert.

I've no idea why people want to insist "TN is among the best landing spots for a coach" when we don't have an opening.

As we always have seen with coaching searches, they suck. I've no desire to replace Heupel but there are those who think he won't get us a Natty. He might not and most coaches don't ever get a Natty.

My beef is with those who wear orange tinted glasses and think Ryan Day or Kirby Smart or Lane Kiffin or Sark would look at UT and say, "I wish I was there instead....." That's BS. They have everything they want and need where they are.

 

[VolinMichigan]

Not coming clean about Nico's family extortion ring back in January. The rumors were already out there, about Nico threatening to hold out of the playoff game. Instead of doing the right thing and telling Nico to leave, Heupel tried to cover it up (going into Spring camp pretenders all was well eith the QB situation was a cover up),until the situation blowed up in his face and now the Vols dont have a legit QB heading into next season. Heupel being lazy will eventually catch up to him.

Long story short, your coach lied to all of us.

Living up to your username