Heupel’s contract

[StuckInBamaVol]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

A lot of people have zero chance of beating Georgia, good luck.

 

[utvolpj]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

You don't hire and fire based on one game any more. Last season showed a win in the UT-UGA game guarantees nothing with the playoffs in place. You can win a NC without that regular season game

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

Kirby has lost very few SEC games to people not named Nick.

Who EXACTLY do you suggest might do better than Heupel and show me where they've dominated him at GA?

So, when Saban was running the table for years in the SEC, no other SEC coaches should've gotten extensions or raises? Fabulous. How do you expect to attract coaching talent with that kind of policy?

 

[05_never_again]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

The only guy who had any kind of repeatable success against Kirby at UGA was Saban.

I think Saban and the success he had at Alabama has permanently broken people's assessments of what a "good team" constitutes. There are a lot of people out there who think that if you don't win or almost win a title every year, then your job should be at risk.

 

[RockyTop140]

Again that wasn’t what I was replying to. You said we should wait on an extension till the offense improves. If the guys keeps winning 10 games a year you do whatever you need to to retain him.

My point was mainly that extending his contract at this point is a risk when he’s still secure here. I don’t care how good the coach has been, things change. When you put money on the line and just assume the success will continue you are gambling. You have to do this to a certain extent, but why gamble at this point when we don’t have to? DW and Heupel have a great relationship, if Heupel wanted more security and demanded a 10 year contract Id be willing to bet White wouldnt agree to that. Jimbo Fisher was a NC winning coach. Do you think A&Ms 10 year contract with him was smart? Isn’t that what you call doing whatever you have to do to retain him? I’d call that ignorant.

 

[Redleg68]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

A little information for you. Johnny Majors winning per centage at Tenn was a lowly .585. If he hadn't been a "Favorite Son" of Tenn. he would have been fired a long time before he was. Georgia has lost 11 SEC games in the past 8 years. Al.-5 , LSU-2, Ole Ms, Fl, Aub, and SC all one. JH winning per centage is .712. We have a darn good coach that represents our University very well. Ga. will not dominate forever, but they should be good every year with their recruiting base.

 

[VolFan_stuck_in_the_901]

Heupel will have job security. If not here it will be somewhere else. Tennessee football has turned into a cash cow after being on the ropes before he got here. Not keeping him locked in is beyond short sighted; it’s Fing stupid beyond words. Bright side is if they let Heupel leave you’ll have something to bitch about for the next decade.

This fanbase is filled with F'ing idiots who enjoy being miserable; we could win a Natty in football and they'd be bitching and moaning 12 months later just like the baseball fans are doing

 

[VolFan_stuck_in_the_901]

Not coming clean about Nico's family extortion ring back in January. The rumors were already out there, about Nico threatening to hold out of the playoff game. Instead of doing the right thing and telling Nico to leave, Heupel tried to cover it up (going into Spring camp pretenders all was well eith the QB situation was a cover up),until the situation blowed up in his face and now the Vols dont have a legit QB heading into next season. Heupel being lazy will eventually catch up to him.

Long story short, your coach lied to all of us.

..... what you just typed is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul....

 

[DaddyChad]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

Insanely idiotic to say that. How many teams have beaten Georgia? You’re far more likely to go backwards than forwards if you fire everyone that can’t beat Georgia.

 

[DaddyChad]

My point was mainly that extending his contract at this point is a risk when he’s still secure here. I don’t care how good the coach has been, things change. When you put money on the line and just assume the success will continue you are gambling. You have to do this to a certain extent, but why gamble at this point when we don’t have to? DW and Heupel have a great relationship, if Heupel wanted more security and demanded a 10 year contract Id be willing to bet White wouldnt agree to that. Jimbo Fisher was a NC winning coach. Do you think A&Ms 10 year contract with him was smart? Isn’t that what you call doing whatever you have to do to retain him? I’d call that ignorant.

Again I’m not advocating a 10 year contract. I’m saying you do everything reasonable to keep Heupel. You said we wait to see if the offense improves. If Heupel keeps winning 10 games you keep him. He’s showed he can win with offense, he’s showed he can put the offense on the back burner and allow the defense to win games.

 

[miket4god]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

We haven't had a coach who could consistently beat everyone on the schedule since Robert Neyland. What you are hoping for is dream world, not reality.

 

[VolFan_stuck_in_the_901]

We haven't had a coach who could consistently beat everyone on the schedule since Robert Neyland. What you are hoping for is dream world, not reality.

That guy's line of thinking is what got us Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt

 

[RockyTop140]

Again I’m not advocating a 10 year contract. I’m saying you do everything reasonable to keep Heupel. You said we wait to see if the offense improves. If Heupel keeps winning 10 games you keep him. He’s showed he can win with offense, he’s showed he can put the offense on the back burner and allow the defense to win games.

I’d argue it’s unlikely we keep winning 10 games if our offense doesn’t improve. Banks has done a fantastic job building this defense up. That’s what you expect when a coach begins to bring in his own recruits. Improvement. That has not happened on the offensive side of the ball. That is Heupels job. It’s a concern, and I’m not exactly sure if it’s lack of talent or a scheme issue.

 

[DaddyChad]

I’d argue it’s unlikely we keep winning 10 games if our offense doesn’t improve. Banks has done a fantastic job building this defense up. That’s what you expect when a coach begins to bring in his own recruits. Improvement. That has not happened on the offensive side of the ball. That is Heupels job. It’s a concern, and I’m not exactly sure if it’s lack of talent or a scheme issue.

Well we did have a small sample size with Nico. Kind of expect a regress with a redshirt freshman. We’ve certainly had little issue recruiting the QB position with Heupel. I think we probably do take a step back this year due to the timing of Nico leaving and not having a great backup plan.

 

[RockyTop140]

Well we did have a small sample size with Nico. Kind of expect a regress with a redshirt freshman. We’ve certainly had little issue recruiting the QB position with Heupel. I think we probably do take a step back this year due to the timing of Nico leaving and not having a great backup plan.

Yep, he was dealt a pretty bad hand for this season. Hopefully somebody steps up and surprises us at qb. Hooked spoiled all of us

 

[NCFisher]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

S'okay.
Now and then someone has to go full-crazy to remind us how sane half-crazy is.

 

[DaddyChad]

Yep, he was dealt a pretty bad hand for this season. Hopefully somebody steps up and surprises us at qb. Hooked spoiled all of us

Hendon worked harder off the field than a lot of people know. He knew where to go with the ball all the time and also knew when a play had fell apart. Joe wasn’t terrible; it was utter BS that the refs took over the game at bama or he has a chance to win in Tuscaloosa which is something not many Tennessee qbs have done in the past several decades. Heupel routinely puts his qbs in positions to be successful but you can only control so much.

 

[RockyTop140]

Hendon worked harder off the field than a lot of people know. He knew where to go with the ball all the time and also knew when a play had fell apart. Joe wasn’t terrible; it was utter BS that the refs took over the game at bama or he has a chance to win in Tuscaloosa which is something not many Tennessee qbs have done in the past several decades. Heupel routinely puts his qbs in positions to be successful but you can only control so much.

Joe started that Bama game on fire. That opening TD pass to squirrel was beautiful; the throw and the catch. Bama got away with holding on multiple big throws, the most egregious one was Tyler Baron being put in a chokehold after he beat his man off the edge. Pearce was getting to Milroe consistently in the 1st half, if I remember right at halftime bama made a switch to deal with him and that was when the holding started

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Your user name really suits you

His name only half suits him. He's certainly a loser, but is no vol.

Don't know what team he cheers for, but it's not the fellas in orange the rest of us love. He's probably a Vandy fan.

 

[DaddyChad]

Joe started that Bama game on fire. That opening TD pass to squirrel was beautiful; the throw and the catch. Bama got away with holding on multiple big throws, the most egregious one was Tyler Baron being put in a chokehold after he beat his man off the edge. Pearce was getting to Milroe consistently in the 1st half, if I remember right at halftime bama made a switch to deal with him and that was when the holding started

They instituted hold coverage. mugged our WRs and nothing got called.

 

[Remy]

Insanely idiotic to say that. How many teams have beaten Georgia? You’re far more likely to go backwards than forwards if you fire everyone that can’t beat Georgia.

Really tired of the loser mentality people have about Georgia. We used to beat them about as much as they beat us. As a matter of fact Butch Jones as our HC beat Kirby Smart while he was HC at UGA. If you don't think you can beat them, you're right, you can't. I think we can and should, Everybody at UGA puts their pants on one leg at a time just we like we do, and all of them have two arms and two legs just like we do. Sheesh, lots of Vol fans need to see their local primary care doc and get some testosterone treatments.

 

[DaddyChad]

Really tired of the loser mentality people have about Georgia. We used to beat them about as much as they beat us. As a matter of fact Butch Jones as our HC beat Kirby Smart while he was HC at UGA. If you don't think you can beat them, you're right, you can't. I think we can and should, Everybody at UGA puts their pants on one leg at a time just we like we do, and all of them have two arms and two legs just like we do. Sheesh, lots of Vol fans need to see their local primary care doc and get some testosterone treatments.

Heupel did beat Saban. Not a lot of people can say that. Also beat Kelly, Dabo, Ferentz, DeBoer and several other high profile coaches. Kirby has beaten Bama what like once when Saban was there? Heupel is probably a top ten coach in the nation and took Tennessee from a dumpster fire to a top ten or so program.

 

[Behr]

Really tired of the loser mentality people have about Georgia. We used to beat them about as much as they beat us. As a matter of fact Butch Jones as our HC beat Kirby Smart while he was HC at UGA. If you don't think you can beat them, you're right, you can't. I think we can and should, Everybody at UGA puts their pants on one leg at a time just we like we do, and all of them have two arms and two legs just like we do. Sheesh, lots of Vol fans need to see their local primary care doc and get some testosterone treatments.

Lulz.

 

[EZE]

I don't want to throw cold water on everybody's warm fizzys party but I will. We simply cannot have a coach on The Hill at UT that cannot beat a team in our conference. Heupel has beaten two out of our Big 3 in Florida and Bama. He however has not put a team on the field yet that has beaten Georgia. Until he does, no more extensions, no more pushing the idea he can be a long term guy. If he cannot do it, find somebody who can. To my point we have a street named after a venerated VFL in Johnny Majors. We fired him when t was thought he couldn't get by Bama any longer. If we can fire Johnny Majors we can fire Josh Heupel. I'm not recommending that occur now, but I do recommend if we REALLY want to be in the conversation for NCs, UGA has to be beaten by Heupel in the next few years or he needs to go.

So dumb. So if he goes 15-1, wins the SEC, wins the natty, but loses to Georgia…he should be fired,

Lots of checkers players on here. It might not hurt to learn chess… and to see the big picture.

 

[EZE]

Who EXACTLY do you suggest might do better than Heupel and show me where they've dominated him at GA?

These morons never stop to think that we can, and likely will, do worse.

I think CJH is a great coach. We are lucky to have him. And I like his chances to intimately win a natty at UT.