Heres a little info about the QBs.

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Its not really big or anything but alittle look inside the QB race. A guy we went to highschool with played at UT and is on the staff now. Heres his opinion of our QBs. JC there was no competition for the starting job it was his from the get go, they babied him hoping he would finally get it. They have also babied him for the first 4 games trying not to hurt his confidence. This last week he said is the only time they have really gotten after him, he said they were letting him have it for the bad decisions he was making in practice this week, the kid gloves finally came off for JC. NS has a NFL arm, but has had a hard time understanding the offense, but should get better with full time reps, but his problem he says is with understanding the offense and reading the defense. BJ is the smartest of the bunch and picks things up alot quicker but doesnt have the arm of either JC or NS. He said this offense is complex and difficult to learn and your QB has to have the ability to throw the ball down the field and thats why BJ has not gotten his shot yet. Not that hes weak armed but cant throw it like the other 2 can. The timeouts you have seen takin that seemed kinda silly have been because the coches are giving the QBs 2 plays and they have 2 read the defense and check 2 the right play but he says they cant read defenses yet and just run a busted play so they are having 2 call timeout and get them in the right play. There is no audible for these guys. Take it for what its worth but just talked with him yesterday and this is what he told me.
 
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I believe the babing part comes from the Ainge factor, when they went back and forth with Clausen. Ainge was a mess, then the next year Cut came back and the coaches told Ainge it was all his, their was no competition for the QB spot.
 
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I agree that crompton had no competition for the job. That was a big mistake as we all see. Green jersey's were another mistake, especially in spring.
 
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iceman9 said:
I believe the babing part comes from the Ainge factor, when they went back and forth with Clausen. Ainge was a mess, then the next year Cut came back and the coaches told Ainge it was all his, their was no competition for the QB spot.
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Problem is we don't have Cutt to develop Stephens or Coleman. If Cutt was still here we would be looking at BJ Starting by now.JMO
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
Problem is we don't have Cutt to develop Stephens or Coleman. If Cutt was still here we would be looking at BJ Starting by now.JMO
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hahahahahahaha.

I really think a lot of people here on VN could hold their own in amateur night at their local comedy clubs.
 
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iceman9 said:
I believe the babing part comes from the Ainge factor, when they went back and forth with Clausen. Ainge was a mess, then the next year Cut came back and the coaches told Ainge it was all his, their was no competition for the QB spot.
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Agreed.

I think now Fulmer thinks he has to treat everyone as a head case.

I watched a lot of football this weekend and almost every team played more than one QB. Vandy even went to a second QB against AU in the 4th quarter. Why can't Fulmer get a pair?

I think he treats Foster the same way.
 
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Foster has at no point in his career been as ineffective for as long of a period as Crompton and stayed in the game. When Foster struggled returning from surgery in 2006 he sat on the bench.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
Problem is we don't have Cutt to develop Stephens or Coleman. If Cutt was still here we would be looking at BJ Starting by now.JMO
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More than likely true.... rightly or wrongly.

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I remember an early comment by Clawson that he usually gives his QB 6-8 plays to choose from when he gets under center.

If he's down to 2 then that explains a great deal about the lack of productivity.

It is a bit of a mystery though. FCS guys on the whole don't have to meet the academic requirements that SEC players do... yet those guys could learn the system and run it well while UT's guys apparently can't.
 
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That sounds about right here at UT. We baby people around. It's good and bad at times. Right now we are on the bad side of being too easy on people. Fulmer has had the same treatment. A crack of the whip is not a bad thing IMO.
 
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volfanbill said:
hahahahahahaha.

I really think a lot of people here on VN could hold their own in amateur night at their local comedy clubs.
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I really don't know what you find so funny except yourself. Like it or not Cutt might not have been the best OC but you can't deny his ability to develop QBs. Thaddius Lewis at Duke is better than what we got here.
 
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sjt18 said:
FCS guys on the whole don't have to meet the academic requirements that SEC players do... yet those guys could learn the system and run it well while UT's guys apparently can't.
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That's true, but remember that 4 and 5-star recruits don't usually go hand in hand with a MENSA candidacy.
 
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I actually buy that we have no audibles happening. I don't recall seeing one happen to date, while opportunities have abounded (especially against Auburn).
 
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The system depend solely on QB play. This is why our offense has been so flat this year. What's frustrating to me about it is that if one QB can't handle it then we should move on and give some of the others a shot. It makes no sense to me why we would allow an entire season to go down the drain for blind loyalty to a QB. Especially knowing that everyone's job was on the line.
 
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sjt18 said:
I remember an early comment by Clawson that he usually gives his QB 6-8 plays to choose from when he gets under center.

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That's got to be wrong. I believe Peyton Manning gets under center with 3 options.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
I really don't know what you find so funny except yourself. Like it or not Cutt might not have been the best OC but you can't deny his ability to develop QBs. Thaddius Lewis at Duke is better than what we got here.
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I've long touted Cut as a great QB coach, but Coleman would not be starting at QB even if Cut was here. He has a lot of work to do to catch up to everyone else.
 
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this inability to check down issue is one I hadn't really thought about until now. With defensive complexity out there today and people moving all over before the snap, that is an enormous problem, if it truly exists.

For the record, I think it's probably true.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I actually buy that we have no audibles happening. I don't recall seeing one happen to date, while opportunities have abounded (especially against Auburn).
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My take.. you're right. But there's a reason.

Those two plays the QB starts with have multiple options to them, but they are read related. WR sees his guy do one thing, his job is to do the proper response. Same thing across the field.

Good idea, it keeps the D off balance. Bad though, because of the premium it puts on everyone being on same page...

I actually like the Clawson offense and believe it will work. Just not this soon..
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
My take.. you're right. But there's a reason.

Those two plays the QB starts with have multiple options to them, but they are read related. WR sees his guy do one thing, his job is to do the proper response. Same thing across the field.

Good idea, it keeps the D off balance. Bad though, because of the premium it puts on everyone being on same page...

I actually like the Clawson offense and believe it will work. Just not this soon..
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I agree, it will take time for the QB's to fully comprehend the system. Unfortunately, time is one thing this staff doesn't have.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
My take.. you're right. But there's a reason.

Those two plays the QB starts with have multiple options to them, but they are read related. WR sees his guy do one thing, his job is to do the proper response. Same thing across the field.

Good idea, it keeps the D off balance. Bad though, because of the premium it puts on everyone being on same page...

I actually like the Clawson offense and believe it will work. Just not this soon..
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I think Clawson's probably fine and you're exactly right on the read and react receiver thing. Receiver has to get it right and the QB has to understand what he sees happening.

As to the audibles, I'm certain those don't exist because our starting QB didn't have the capacity to do it at the line.
 
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kptvol said:
That's got to be wrong. I believe Peyton Manning gets under center with 3 options.
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I heard something along the same lines before the season started. Richmond's QB from last year was interviewed on the News Sentinel Sports Page, and he said that they would go to the line with something like 5 plays to choose from.
 
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If the guys at Richmond can pick up the offense I would hope our guys can. Apparently not though.
 
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