HDTV Help Needed

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My old-school big screen is about done, and fixing it is, apparently, not worth the cost. So. . . .it's time to upgrade!

I am looking for something in the 50-60 inch range, LCD or Plasma (so I can hang it if I ever desire). I have read good things about the Samsung LCDs (650-750-850 series) and I have looked at a Sono Bravia LCD and Panasonic Plasma. The Pioneer Elite Kuro is incredible, but I don't think I can justify the astronomical cost.

Anyone have expertise or experience to share? What about the new 120 Hz and "smoothing" features? Has the life on plasmas been satisfactory?

Thanks in advance.

KD
 
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i have both a 46 Sony Bravia 1080p and 42 Panasonic Viera 720p.

i would recommend both. when i bought a TV, i set a price range and basically made sure i looked at EVERY TV i could before i bought one from various distances with various things playing on the screen.

for my money, Sony could not be beat. the Panasonic just happened to be on sale, and met my demands.

i think Milo is the man for this thread.

just remember, when you go HD you still have to get a protection plan and upgrade your provider with new boxes and the like. don't spend more than 10 dollars on cables, if that.
 
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if your old school big screen is anything like my old man's, good luck getting that thing out of the house. it took 3 of us to get it into a truck so we could haul it off.
 
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if your old school big screen is anything like my old man's, good luck getting that thing out of the house. it took 3 of us to get it into a trunk so we could haul it off.

It has wheels, and I guarantee you that if I leave it on the curb, it will be gone by daybreak.
 
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I've had my 42in LCD for a little over a year and I'm sick of it.There are like 5 dark lines running through it.I still have a 31in CRT that's still kicking azz.My brother-inlaws Plasma just went out on him after 4 years.CRT's are old school but they still out last the Plasma's and the LCD's.

I would also like to hear some feedback on some of the new sets.
 
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Love my DLP. I'm not a fan of either flat technologies, so I will leave this to others...
 
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I have a Pioneer 50 plasma (about 3-4 years old) and an LG 26 LCD (about 2-3 years old).

Personally, I like Plasma - deeper, richer color, better blacks (big deal if you watch a lot of movies), great viewing angle, no motion blur, etc. Downsides, need to break it in (not hard to do) to prevent burn in. Generates some heat but not a big deal to me. Pioneer and Panasonics have been the best choices in plasma for years.

With a good signal coming in, my plasma looked better than just about any other HD out there. Everyone that came over left saying it was the best HD picture they've seen.
 
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I much prefer plasma sets over LCD. But, everyone has a different eye. Go to a specialty store if you have it and look at sets in realistic lighting. Worst case, go to Best Buy, etc. and see them there.

I'd recommend Panasonic plasma since they have about the best panels next to Pioneer Kuro sets. My Panasonic plasma hanging upstairs is a great set.

Vizio are cheaper and look good. If you aren't real picky about this stuff and want to save a few bucks, these sets will work great for you and look super.

LED DLPs are probably the best looking picture nowdays but you said you didn't want one of those. Fair enough.

Life expectancy of modern plasmas is around the same as CRTs you are used to. Burn in is possible, but technology gains over the last 10 years has GREATLY reduced the chances of this happening. Just don't pause a show and leave the tv on for a day or two. LCDs can exhibit image retention which is similar in appearance, so it's not like going that route will save you from this sort of problem.

For cables and a wall mount, hit up monoprice.com. You can pay <$10 for cables there or $70+ at Best Buy. You can get a wall mount for <$45 or pay $150+ at Best Buy. That's one of the biggest money makers for BB/etc. because they mark them up 300%+.
 
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I would like to encourage people looking to buy new sets to look at the heat output and electricity requirements as well. With as much as we watch TV these days, energy consumption should be a consideration. :good!:
 
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I have both a plasma and LCD - the plasma is one generation older than the LCD. The difference in depth and richness of color and black levels is evident.

A new LCD would likely have better blacks than my 4 generation old plasma but a new plasma would still probably win on both fronts.

LCDs show more sharpness or contrast -- maybe crispness is a better word but I prefer the depth and richness of the plasma picture.

Best advice is to view for yourself and CALIBRATE the picture (professionally or yourself).
 
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Good advice by volinbham there. I'll cover calibrations in a minute here.

Figure out what you need first. I will just assume you are looking for a top-level picture, if you're considering those Samsung series, or presumably a Sony XBR or Panasonic.

Consider the room you're in. If glare on the screen is a big factor, then shy away from plasmas. As great as they look, they all have glass panels and will reflect light. In this case I would recommend a Sony XBR6.

IMO Samsung's LED-backlight TV's are a waste of money. Yes, they look great, almost as good as plasmas but they are still an LCD at heart and will have some minor processing issues, resulting in some issues like the picture blooming a bit during vivid scenes. Plamsas simply do not do this. Not only that, but the Samsung also forsakes the number one advantage of most other LCD's, and that is the lack of light reflection.

If you need to go LCD, XBR6 is the way to go. For having a matte finish plastic screen that will reflect minimal amounts of light, it produces extremely good black levels and proper color contrast. And it will process the image as well as any LCD on the market, having minimal amounts of imperfections.

Now if ambient lighting is not an issue, go with a plasma by all means. I've done research on it, and from a purely technical standpoint the Pioneer Elite displays are the best production plasma displays in existence. End of story. The price reflects it, however. The next best thing (aside from Fujitsu, which will still have hardware issues far too often) is the regular Pioneer pro series. As you said, they do cost a lot of money.

Assuming Best Buy stores on that side of the country have the same things available, it's not too bad right now...

Pioneer - KURO 50" Class 1080p Flat-Panel Plasma HDTV - PDP-5020FD

$1,000 off. And it can be financed for free for three years, same as cash.

Sorry to pimp my own stuff, but that setup is hot deals IMO.

If that caviar is still a bit too expensive for your taste, the 50-800 from Panasonic will still kill it for a lot less. The picture is really good. Not Pioneer good, but better than anything else available right now.

Cliff notes:

If you must go LCD, the 52" XBR6 is the only way to go. Everything else at that size is, quite frankly, either way more expensive and not that much better (XBR7, XBR8), defeats the purpose of what LCD tv's are for (Samsung 650/750/850) or are just regular LCD's with at least hints if not blaring reminders of the shortcomings of LCD processors.

If plasma turns out to be your bag, the Pioneer 50" is the one if you can afford it. If not, then the Panasonic 800 (not the 80).

Other than that, find ISF calibrators in your area. Best Buy installers do it, and each area usually has a few independent guys. Make sure they're competent first. Properly adjusted picture = better-looking and cooler-running = longer life. And make sure you use a power conditioner. Not a regular circuit breaker, but something that will ensure a steady voltage into your TV. Say what you want about them, I've seen two matching TV's hooked up side by side with the same programming, one with power conditioning and one without. The difference was noticable. And it's just healthy for your TV.
 
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One more thing to consider with LCD's -- unlike plasmas, the price curve for LCD's tends to be more exponential. Screens above 46" become very expensive to produce, so any quality set is going to be fairly expensive no matter which way you slice it. But if you want a TV that will be wall mounted, and can handle well-lit rooms, it's really your only option.
 
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Thanks for the help, guys. I found a great deal on a Samsung 650 and found the picture very comparable to the Sony XBRs. Nice, deep blacks (when adjusted properly) and vibrant color, and the 120 Hz processing results in NOTICABLY smoother action and clearer movement (e.g. a scrolling ticker). I can't wait to watch an HD game! One complaint I heard over and over was the "funky" red/glass trim, but it actually matches our decor incredibly well and is really not even noticable in dimmer lighting.

Will report back after the football weekend!
 
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How about cheap deals on smaller... say bedroom sized ones? My tv is junk and I'm moving in with some roommates that all have HDTV's and then an HD projector downstairs. I can't afford much, but I want something better than I have now. Any suggestions?
 
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How about cheap deals on smaller... say bedroom sized ones? My tv is junk and I'm moving in with some roommates that all have HDTV's and then an HD projector downstairs. I can't afford much, but I want something better than I have now. Any suggestions?

Go get a 720...they are on closeout everywhere. On a smaller TV, especially without a digital or HD source, you'll never know the difference.
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How about cheap deals on smaller... say bedroom sized ones? My tv is junk and I'm moving in with some roommates that all have HDTV's and then an HD projector downstairs. I can't afford much, but I want something better than I have now. Any suggestions?

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How about cheap deals on smaller... say bedroom sized ones? My tv is junk and I'm moving in with some roommates that all have HDTV's and then an HD projector downstairs. I can't afford much, but I want something better than I have now. Any suggestions?

look into Vizio. i was all set to buy one before i found my sony.
 
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Vizio! The world's best-selling remanufactured TV.

Because of where I work I can never go back. A poorly setup LCD will look worse than your old tube set.

Honestly, if you're just looking to spend as little as possible, then hit up Craigslist for a TV. If you can find a relatively new Samsung or Sony or Sharp or something, it will be better-built, about as much money and look 10x better.
 
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Go get a 720...they are on closeout everywhere. On a smaller TV, especially without a digital or HD source, you'll never know the difference.
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And if you have an HD source, it's still not enough of a difference for somebody that's broke, like me.

I bought a 36 inch 720 last summer for 450 dollars. It's a weird brand name but looks just as good as my roommate's Vizio.

When I get out of school in December I'll buy top of the line stuff, but right now that's the way to go.
 
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My old-school big screen is about done, and fixing it is, apparently, not worth the cost. So. . . .it's time to upgrade!

I am looking for something in the 50-60 inch range, LCD or Plasma (so I can hang it if I ever desire). I have read good things about the Samsung LCDs (650-750-850 series) and I have looked at a Sono Bravia LCD and Panasonic Plasma. The Pioneer Elite Kuro is incredible, but I don't think I can justify the astronomical cost.

Anyone have expertise or experience to share? What about the new 120 Hz and "smoothing" features? Has the life on plasmas been satisfactory?

Thanks in advance.

KD
The only word you need to remember. Samsung.

Go to a Walmart and stand about 50 feet from the TV wall. Pick the clearest pictures out the group. They will be Samsung and Polaroid.

Polaroid doesn't have the reliability of the Samsung.
 
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Actually the measure of an LCD is how it handles things like stark contrast and motion. Cheaper tv's, like Vizio and Sylvania will display bright but muted color tones, not being able to bring out full colors like red, and will pixelate heavily around areas of stark contrast and fast motion.

Decent choice, KD. Those Samsungs do look great, although they don't have the same benefits as most other LCD's against bright light sources.
 

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