Harrison Bailey to UNLV

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GregAmsler said:
Pretty sure Spurrier was considered a QB guru.

As another poster alludes, there really aren't a lot of coaches producing a ton of NFL QBs. Lincoln Riley is just about it. Just give me a guy developing college guys and every so often, one will do well in the NFL.
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What are we really saying he hasn't done?
Coached a Heisman trophy winner - check.
Sent multiple QB's to the NFL - check.
Had a QB he coached drafted #1 overall in the NFL - check.

What track record are they saying he hasn't accomplished?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Looks like Pruitt can even screw up a prolific QB out of UGA.
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When did Pruitt get a job at UNLV?

Time for some folks to finally just admit that Bailey was overrated and isn't a very talented guy. Did you watch any of the game? I saw most of his plays and the guy who followed him. #3 has to move up to #2 after that game.

Bailey doesn't have the physical talent of the other two guys. Both ran the O better as well.
 
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sjt18 said:
At the end of the day... he's a 5* bust. Nothing personal against the kid. But a lot of us were "show me" with him. He had a receiver that represented an "easy button". He frequently just threw the ball up and let Gilbert physically dominate HS DB's.

I can't remember but your response seems like you were one of his fans?
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He was a 4 star on the composite. The composite is what averages the ranking for the services. I think one service had him as a 5 star (maybe Rivals). I know you don't put a lot of stock in recruiting rankings, so I'm not referring to you, but this board has a bad habit of cherry picking whatever service rates our commit the highest and just referring to that ranking, and then supposing that the rest of the services just hate Tennessee. There were some dissenting views on Bailey even during his recruitment. Supposedly, Jim Chaney just flat out did not want him when he was OC at UGA. Some said what you did, that he benefited from having Arik Gilbert, Ramel Keyton and another D-1 prospect to throw to. Some said he had peaked physically in the 10th grade, some said he couldn't throw well on the run and was a statue. There were red flags, and a lot of folks with orange colored glasses ignored them, as we fans are wont to do. Fortunately, Nico is much well thought of by basically everyone.

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sjt18 said:
When did Pruitt get a job at UNLV?

Time for some folks to finally just admit that Bailey was overrated and isn't a very talented guy. Did you watch any of the game? I saw most of his plays and the guy who followed him. #3 has to move up to #2 after that game.

Bailey doesn't have the physical talent of the other two guys. Both ran the O better as well.
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Like JG, Bailey got terrible coaching. As a matter of fact you could say he got none. Weinke was absolute swamp water. Regardless of what you want to think, coaching matters.
 
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sjt18 said:
At the end of the day... he's a 5* bust. Nothing personal against the kid. But a lot of us were "show me" with him. He had a receiver that represented an "easy button". He frequently just threw the ball up and let Gilbert physically dominate HS DB's.

I can't remember but your response seems like you were one of his fans?
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This is probably one of your usual pathetic attempts to say the recruiting services are garbage. Good grief man give it up.
 
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sjt18 said:
At the end of the day... he's a 5* bust. Nothing personal against the kid. But a lot of us were "show me" with him. He had a receiver that represented an "easy button". He frequently just threw the ball up and let Gilbert physically dominate HS DB's.

I can't remember but your response seems like you were one of his fans?
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I was a fan as far as what he accomplished in HS. And he had a rep as a good kid. But, for whatever reason, he didn't get to where he needed to be at UT. You never really know how it translates to a particular college until you give it a shot. 'I was hopeful for him and UT' may be a better way to put it. He was in the same boat as JG and Maurer. With the coaching here at the time, he was DOA anyway. I still feel he is a very good QB. Just not at UT.
 
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miket4god said:
What are we really saying he hasn't done?
Coached a Heisman trophy winner - check.
Sent multiple QB's to the NFL - check.
Had a QB he coached drafted #1 overall in the NFL - check.

What track record are they saying he hasn't accomplished?
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Agreed. He got them there. How well they did in the NFL or how long they lasted is no longer on the college coach. And, like college, alot of players, especially QB's, get drafted into a scheme that is not totally suited to them, or just bad pro level QB coaching, or just a bad fit in general. And they flame out, or if lucky get revived somewhere else before it's too late.
 
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GVF said:
I was a fan as far as what he accomplished in HS. And he had a rep as a good kid. But, for whatever reason, he didn't get to where he needed to be at UT. You never really know how it translates to a particular college until you give it a shot. 'I was hopeful for him and UT' may be a better way to put it. He was in the same boat as JG and Maurer. With the coaching here at the time, he was DOA anyway. I still feel he is a very good QB. Just not at UT.
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I always had questions. His HS stats were just too skewed for my liking by Gilbert. I didn't see elite arm strength. He did show quick decision making early at UT but he looked regressed on Saturday. He doesn't have a particularly quick release. He's not good throwing off platform. He is much too easy to affect with a straight pass rush.

My view while he was at UT was that his real strength might be between his ears. Honestly, that was nowhere to be seen either. He appeared to not handle line calls well. He appeared to audible into bad run plays. He didn't recognize blitzes. His presnap reads left him looking in the wrong direction.

Sometimes guys are just not as good as their accolades. I hope he's a great student and succeeds in life. No animosity toward him at all. Maybe he would have been better in the 1990's style of play? Don't know. But the game today moves too fast for his skill set.
 
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GVF said:
I was a fan as far as what he accomplished in HS. And he had a rep as a good kid. But, for whatever reason, he didn't get to where he needed to be at UT. You never really know how it translates to a particular college until you give it a shot. 'I was hopeful for him and UT' may be a better way to put it. He was in the same boat as JG and Maurer. With the coaching here at the time, he was DOA anyway. I still feel he is a very good QB. Just not at UT.
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This is fair imo and about where I'm at with the young man. If some of us thought he was a very solid QB, we weren't alone go back and look at his offer list. I do not think his performance with UNLV was very good by the way.
 
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Remy said:
This is fair imo and about where I'm at with the young man. If some of us thought he was a very solid QB, we weren't alone go back and look at his offer list. I do not think his performance with UNLV was very good by the way.
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I'd venture that at this point his confidence level is suffering a good beating. He'll need to get over that quickly. He should have been able to easily win the job at UNLV.
 
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sjt18 said:
At the end of the day... he's a 5* bust. Nothing personal against the kid. But a lot of us were "show me" with him. He had a receiver that represented an "easy button". He frequently just threw the ball up and let Gilbert physically dominate HS DB's.

I can't remember but your response seems like you were one of his fans?
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He should never have been rated a 5*. Or a 4*. Goes to show that the recruiting nerds aren’t the best evaluators.
 
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sjt18 said:
I always had questions. His HS stats were just too skewed for my liking by Gilbert. I didn't see elite arm strength. He did show quick decision making early at UT but he looked regressed on Saturday. He doesn't have a particularly quick release. He's not good throwing off platform. He is much too easy to affect with a straight pass rush.

My view while he was at UT was that his real strength might be between his ears. Honestly, that was nowhere to be seen either. He appeared to not handle line calls well. He appeared to audible into bad run plays. He didn't recognize blitzes. His presnap reads left him looking in the wrong direction.

Sometimes guys are just not as good as their accolades. I hope he's a great student and succeeds in life. No animosity toward him at all. Maybe he would have been better in the 1990's style of play? Don't know. But the game today moves too fast for his skill set.
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His skill set was more pro-style also, but our OL could protect neither him or a dual threat. No UT QB in the Pruitt years had time to even count to two much less make good decisions at the line. Stuff like you brought up should have mostly been coached out with only some game speed left to wrap things up. We had plenty of QB's that could show moments of promise, but none that could maintain progress. The level of HS football he was playing in GA, even though he did have Gilbert, was as large as it gets in HS. He should have been better prepared.

The one I'm really interested in seeing how he comes around went to UGA. Gunner Stockton from up in Rabun Gap. 3A school, but was either #1 or #2 QB in state. SAw him play on TV a few times. We could pick up their home games. They were getting air time becasue of him. I think that kid will be special, but we'll see.
 
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Harrison Bailey is now officially the second string quarterback for an UNLV team that went 2-10 a year ago.


I am shocked :(
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
He was a 4 star on the composite. The composite is what averages the ranking for the services. I think one service had him as a 5 star (maybe Rivals). I know you don't put a lot of stock in recruiting rankings, so I'm not referring to you, but this board has a bad habit of cherry picking whatever service rates our commit the highest and just referring to that ranking, and then supposing that the rest of the services just hate Tennessee. There were some dissenting views on Bailey even during his recruitment. Supposedly, Jim Chaney just flat out did not want him when he was OC at UGA. Some said what you did, that he benefited from having Arik Gilbert, Ramel Keyton and another D-1 prospect to throw to. Some said he had peaked physically in the 10th grade, some said he couldn't throw well on the run and was a statue. There were red flags, and a lot of folks with orange colored glasses ignored them, as we fans are wont to do. Fortunately, Nico is much well thought of by basically everyone.

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I think the recruiting sites have some value. I just recognize they aren't as specific and accurate as people like BOT. Picking 30 of the top 100 players or so and giving them 5* is one thing. With a little information it isn't really all that hard. Get some measurables. Look at HS and camp performance. Find out what top recruiters think of them. It is surprising that the recruiting sites aren't better than 60% picking those guys out. But the further away they get from 220 lb guys with 4.4 speed being salivated over by Saban and Dabo... the less accurate they get.

BOT is having sort of a hard time balancing these days. He's asserted that Ball State is a threat... and may have even said UT should lose to Pitt a few times. Both of those programs are way below UT in recruiting rankings. I guess it is what it is.

I like Chaney. But I think he saw himself as only a servant to his master. Whatever type of O his HC asked for, he tried to provide. Pruitt wanted an old school, 1990's style of play and offense. That's what Chaney tried to do.

I had not heard that he specifically didn't like Bailey. I did hear that he desperately wanted to replace JG. Pruitt overruled him.
 
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Harrison Bailey seems like a good kid. He stuck with us after the 2020 season when he could have bailed. The problem here wasnt the kid it was all those people who had a melt down because Coach Heupel didnt hand him the reins to the program. I have full confidence in Coach Huepel and think it will prove his worth. I wish Harrison Bailey nothing but the best as well. To those posters that screamed "he will go somewhere else and win a Heisman and yeah there were several, get off of Coach Heupel's back and give him some support.
 
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sjt18 said:
When did Pruitt get a job at UNLV?

Time for some folks to finally just admit that Bailey was overrated and isn't a very talented guy. Did you watch any of the game? I saw most of his plays and the guy who followed him. #3 has to move up to #2 after that game.

Bailey doesn't have the physical talent of the other two guys. Both ran the O better as well.
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Bailey was lucky he had the talent around him and the support of a good school board. All I saw him do in high school was dink and dunk he doesn't have a strong arm. Shrout was the best QB his last year here when he finally came along. Maurer's head was scrambled and we know JG and Bailey never had it.
 
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Coach_Z said:
I’ll be that guy. I don’t think Bailey is all that. Let me make this clear: I want him to be the second coming of Peyton Manning and then some.

But I don’t know what y’all are talking about with him going through reads and progressions. He knows absolutely who he’s throwing to before every snap, and it’s almost always to the guy that’s a foot taller and 50 lbs heavier than the ones covering him. He has protection from offensive line with two Power-5 commits. Receivers are going to LSU, Michigan State, and Boston College. Running back going to Colorado State. They are absolutely stacked. Of course they’re going to put up cartoon numbers. When pressured even a little bit, his accuracy drops dramatically, but again, he’s bailed out by Gilbert and company. When the playing field is leveled, and everybody has 3, 4, 5 stars, I wonder how his decision making and accuracy will be. I hope he’s the man and wins us several national championships. But those of y’all calling for him to start from day 1 are probably setting yourselves up for disappointment, as it looks like he could really use a redshirt year before he takes the field and leads us back to the promised land.
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Posted this in the Cody Brown thread in the RF and got absolutely crucified for it.

I’m usually not the kind to say I told you so, so I won’t.
 
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Coach_Z said:
Posted this in the Cody Brown thread in the RF and got absolutely crucified for it.

I’m usually not the kind to say I told you so, so I won’t.
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Congratulations on your resurrection. You really told us so:
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...it looks like [Bailey] could really use a redshirt year [in 2020] before he takes the field and leads us back to the promised land [in 2021].
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Wish him well. Let it go.
 
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