Harbaugh tops Saban

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Two of the top paid guys are one and two in the polls. So far a great return on investment for Michigan for both on the field and off the field results and revenue.
 
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Harbaugh was no hometown discount. I'm sure as soon as he actually wins his conference championship, for the first time, he will be worth a lot more.
 
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Two of the top paid guys are one and two in the polls. So far a great return on investment for Michigan for both on the field and off the field results and revenue.

Worth every damn penny.

I won't call Harbaugh a great return on investment, much less worth every damn penny, until he actually wins a championship or three.

He's being paid more than two guys, Saban and Meyer, who between them have won 8 national championships and over a dozen conference championships.

Harbaugh has won no national championships, no FBS conference championships, and no Super Bowls. He's been the bridesmaid several times, but never the bride.

So for now, he is WAY over-priced, for a promise of things to come.

He has the power to change that. Maybe. Until he does, Michigan's paying a lot more than they're getting.
 
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Nick Saban is one of the most underpaid coaches in college football.

and I presume a Southerner would say this. In fact, the money college football coaches are paid is absurd--but then we have our priorities! Student-athletes playing, what, close to 15 games a year now, in some cases, massive staffs, multimillionaire coaches. It's a junior professional football.
 
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and I presume a Southerner would say this. In fact, the money college football coaches are paid is absurd--but then we have our priorities! Student-athletes playing, what, close to 15 games a year now, in some cases, massive staffs, multimillionaire coaches. It's a junior professional football.

thanks Bernie
 
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I won't call Harbaugh a great return on investment, much less worth every damn penny, until he actually wins a championship or three.

He's being paid more than two guys, Saban and Meyer, who between them have won 8 national championships and over a dozen conference championships.

Harbaugh has won no national championships, no FBS conference championships, and no Super Bowls. He's been the bridesmaid several times, but never the bride.

So for now, he is WAY over-priced, for a promise of things to come.

He has the power to change that. Maybe. Until he does, Michigan's paying a lot more than they're getting.

Here we go again.

Worth every penny. Not only has he increased the value of Michigan and also helped land the biggest apparel deal ever with Nike, he is putting on an amazing on field product that everyone talks about. Also he's working on a second consecutive top five recruiting class and about to put a lot of players in the NFL this year.

Worth. Every. Penny.
 
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and I presume a Southerner would say this. In fact, the money college football coaches are paid is absurd--but then we have our priorities! Student-athletes playing, what, close to 15 games a year now, in some cases, massive staffs, multimillionaire coaches. It's a junior professional football.

Actually you look how much money Alabama has brought in since they got Saban and it is a completely legitimate point.
 
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I won't call Harbaugh a great return on investment, much less worth every damn penny, until he actually wins a championship or three.

If you do an economic analysis, the value that a coach like Harbaugh brings to a program like Michigan can easily be in the $15 - $25 million range.

College football is an industry with high fixed costs. There's little difference from a cost perspective between having 50,000 fans at a game (50% capacity) versus having 100,000 fans at a game (100% capacity). Yet, the latter generates a lot more revenue, not only from ticket sales, but from concessions and merchandise sales. When you start to examine how this impacts the bottom line, it can easily be a difference in the range of $1 - $3 million per game!

If anything, Harbaugh is underpriced, as is Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and any head coach that can consistently pump out top 10 quality teams that keep the fans coming to the games and highly invested in the team.

The difference between a Derek Dooley and a Jim Harbaugh can be $20 million a year very easily.
 
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He is worth every penny. It fact he icouks command more. Michi is getting off cheap

1. A lot More ticket sales fron hoke
2. Will go to better bowls moving forward
3. Sale of Gear
4 More Overall Total Revenue

Saban is worth 15 mil a year based on the revenue that he generates
 
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Worth. Every. Penny.

You can say it over and over again, but that will not make it one bit more true.

If you do an economic analysis, the value that a coach like Harbaugh brings to a program like Michigan can easily be in the $15 - $25 million range.

Yes, but your economic analysis needs to be correct.

To know whether Harbaugh is worth the extra $5.5M per year at Michigan (that's how much MORE he's making than Brady Hoke averaged), you have to compare revenue from year to year. For instance, are you saying that attendance averaged 50,000 per game during the Hoke era, versus 100,000 per game now? Or that merchandise sales were 50% then what they are now?

If you've done that analysis, please share. I'd love to see it, would be interesting. If they're really making at least $5.5M / year more than in 2014, good on them.

Oh, and do you think Ohio State or Bama have seen sales rise by that much or more since their latest coaches arrived? So why aren't they paid $9M or even $10M, $12M a year?

Fact is, it's not about paying the coach as much as he makes for you. It's about paying him enough to land him as your coach (supply and demand), and then getting results (wins building to championships) in return.

Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh for one reason, and only one reason: to make them competitive with Meyer-led Ohio State in the B10, and with Saban-led Bama, Fisher-led FSU, and Stoops-led Oklahoma nationally. They have bet on the come.

And whether it comes or not, well, time will tell.

Until then, he's being paid more than the best college coaches in America and delivering (so far) significantly less.
 
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Yes, but your economic analysis needs to be correct.

It doesn't take much math to see the value.

In 2014, Michigan's official attendance numbers dipped down to around 100K with capacity close to 110K. So that's a minimum of 10K seats not being sold during Hoke's last year. Tickets tend to go for a minimum of $70 - $80. However, this is all being very conservative. Michigan's actual attendance during 2014 dipped down to around 65K - 70K for many games. Michigan was also selling tickets at deeply discounted prices as low as $5 - $10 to fill seats.

There's no way to know the precise numbers since they aren't public, but even going by the conservative number, that's $700K in lost revenue per game. Once you start factoring in the discounted pricing, it's likely that this number swells to about $2 million per home game.

We're not even counting concessions or merchandise sales yet. If we assume the average attendee brings in $5 worth of profit for concessions, then the stadium only having 70K people instead of 110K ends up costing another $200K.

I have no great way to estimate the losses to merchandise sales, but it's pretty obvious that winning teams sell more merchandise than losing teams. If we assume lost merchandise sales end up accounting for $800K, then we're already at about $3 million per game.

There are certainly miscellaneous other factors here (e.g. sponsorship deals), as well, that would be almost impossible for us to estimate, but even with what we can estimate, we can surmise that Harbaugh's hiring has added about $20 - $25 million per year in profits.

This is why, contrary to popular belief, the best college coaches are actually underpaid from an economic perspective.

Oh, and do you think Ohio State or Bama have seen sales rise by that much or more since their latest coaches arrived? So why aren't they paid $9M or even $10M, $12M a year?

The salaries are slowly pushing up in that direction. The reason why it's taken so long, however, is largely due to public perception. The general public considers it "immoral" that college football coaches make such high salaries, while educators make a small fraction of that.

Fact is, it's not about paying the coach as much as he makes for you. It's about paying him enough to land him as your coach (supply and demand), and then getting results (wins building to championships) in return.

It's really not about this at all. Nick Saban could demand $15 million tomorrow and Alabama would almost certainly have to meet the demand.

I think there are mitigating factors, though. Most college coaches understand that public perception is important and they are reluctant to make big demands to extract their full value.

Most coaches also care about the universities and don't see much benefit in "bleeding out every last penny of value". Is there really much difference in the quality of your life making $6 million than there is making $14 million? Probably not.

The best coaches also care more about their legacy than the money. They want the opportunity to compete for championships. That's more important to them than a few million bucks (when they are already multi-millionaires).

Until then, he's being paid more than the best college coaches in America and delivering (so far) significantly less.

I'm not sure how you conclude that from one season. Nick Saban didn't win a national title at Bama till his 3rd season. Harbaugh has only been at Michigan for 1.5 seasons. He turned a 5-7 team into a 10-3 team in one season and now has the #2 team in America, which has had dominating performances almost every single week.

And he turned a Stanford program that was one of the worst of all P5 programs into an absolute powerhouse than won the Orange Bowl within 4 years.

I think you'd have to be blind to conclude that Harbaugh isn't a well-proven coach. He might not have won a championship yet, but he had Stanford close to one within 4 years and already has Michigan in the hunt for one in Year #2.
 
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