Hamilton still brought in an underqualified candidate

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That would get him fired in the business world...two successive hires with losing records. That should get him on the next plane out of Tennessee and back to Clemson, where he came from.

I'm sorry folks, but personality, charm...saying the right things, and having a daddy who was well known in SEC circles doesn't amount to a warm cup of jack squat.

At the end of the day, Hamilton's record speaks for itself. Low budget, underqualified coaches for a position that has this much of a winning tradition. What is sad...everyone here is going to be naturally inclined to look for the positives and hope for the best. It's going to take a few years of frustration to bring us right back to the same chaos we had with Fulmer's firing. I'm sorry, but this is the very sort of thing that kept Bama in the Toilet until they got sick of it and went after Saban, lock stock and barrell. Have we learned nothing from their example?

Both hires are low budget hires. What does that say to us as a fanbase? Is that all we are worth? Is that what this program is to Hamilton...a low-mid level SEC team?
I'm starting to loathe the day he arrived. He came from Clemson and, like Kiffin, I don't think he thinks that much of Tennessee's winning tradition cause quite frankly, he wasn't here during much of it.
He got here while this program was in Fulmer's later year decline, and he likely DOES see Tennessee as a lower tier SEC program...that's all he's ever seen.

Mike Hamilton does not view Tennessee as deserving a Lovie Smith type hire...or Kyle Wittingham...at a $4million/yr+ contract. His actions bear this out.
 

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I agree its a step backwards on this Hire, but maybe we've found a diamond in the rough so to speak. Dooley seems like a quality guy
 
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Give the Man a chance. Its not like he brought same ole same ole Cutcliffe back. Dooley seems smart enough to surround himself with good people so he can succeed like Gene Chizik. Who by the way had a terrible record at Iowa St.
 
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Oh and by the way kiffin was not a low budget hire. We had a low price head coach but overall entire staff was top 3 nationwide.
 
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Lovie Smith is not such a great candidate. He will be fired soon, and the people in Chicago, including the players, say he is incompetent. Kyle Wittingham did not want the job. You cannot force someone to take a job that they do not want. The bottom line is that this is the best UT could do. Live with it.
 
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"I'm sorry folks, but personality, charm...saying the right things, and having a daddy who was well known in SEC circles doesn't amount to a warm cup of jack squat."

You're not even on the right page with Dooley.
 
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Get over it, we struck out on all the other guys, at least he wants to come here...

There is no pleasing fans sometimes.
 
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I couldn't agree more. Although I have high hopes that Dooley may be the next up and comer and that we stumbled into him by accident, Hamilton has failed for 14 months and two consecutive hires.

I liked what I heard from Dooley in the PC. I will back him 110% and I believe he will bring respect back to Neyland. With that said, I have no more conifidence today that he can coach at the SEC level than I did last week when I did not know him from Adam. Of course, I had my doubts about Meyer in the SEC as well, so hopefully Dooley will succeed as well.


Everyone had Meyer on the fast chart to the next big hire though. No one had Dooley on the fast track yet. Dooley may win us more championships than we've ever had, and I hope he does, but the hire was out of desperation by Hamilton as a result of a bad hire 14 months ago. Hamilton needs to go now as bad as Fulmer needed to go in 2005, but he will probably be allowed to hang around too long just as Fulmer was allowed.
 
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I am a Duke alum married to a USC alum and we go to the home football games. So I have followed these events very closely. I have always thought highly of Tennessee football and know that it has very passionate fans.

Here are some things I don't quite understand:
1. Why was Fulmer let go? Was it just for a change or are you looking to compete with Meyer etc?

2. Why Kiffin? I don't remember the timing. Were you rushed into it? Was he the first choice? I thought he was a bad hire by the Raiders, a bad hire by Tenn and a bad hire by USC.

3. Did Kiffin do a good job?

4. Why was his buy out only $800K? Peanuts in todays world. That would not stop a top college or any pro program. Was your AD trying to keep him from taking a high school job?

5. Duke loves Cutcliffe. Why did so many not want him here?

It just appears to me that Tenn wants to compete with the big boys but wants to do it on the cheap. I hope Dooley is successful. If he is then you will have to open the pocketbooks. Do you have the resources?

Wish USC luck with Kiffin. I am not sure that he is as bad as everyone says but he very well could be.

SoCal
 
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These threds are started by arm chair quarterbacks who just think they know what is best for this program. They are no better than the guys who sit on t.v. or write blogs with no experience what so ever in the area they are criticizing. These opinions are worth nothing.
 
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Give the guy a chance. At least he has the balls to try to build us unlike the others... I thought college football had competitors, where are they?
 
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orangegrass said:
These threds are started by arm chair quarterbacks who just think they know what is best for this program. They are no better than the guys who sit on t.v. or write blogs with no experience what so ever in the area they are criticizing. These opinions are worth nothing.
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But yet they seem just as qualified as Hamilton if not more when you look at Hamilton's results.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Oh and by the way kiffin was not a low budget hire. We had a low price head coach but overall entire staff was top 3 nationwide.
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No...the assistant staff may have been higher, but overall, we still weren't the top in the SEC.

He got the low-ball contract before he made any hires. And his contract shouldn't have had anything to do with theirs. Especially in light of the extra 15 mill/yr we are getting with the SEC TV contracts...not to mention the revenue sharing we receive from the NC's/BCS bowls.

THAT is why we had the extra money...not because we lowballed Kiffin. I don't buy that he took a paycut as so many assume. Never heard him say that.
 
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That would get him fired in the business world...two successive hires with losing records. That should get him on the next plane out of Tennessee and back to Clemson, where he came from.

I'm sorry folks, but personality, charm...saying the right things, and having a daddy who was well known in SEC circles doesn't amount to a warm cup of jack squat.

At the end of the day, Hamilton's record speaks for itself. Low budget, underqualified coaches for a position that has this much of a winning tradition. What is sad...everyone here is going to be naturally inclined to look for the positives and hope for the best. It's going to take a few years of frustration to bring us right back to the same chaos we had with Fulmer's firing. I'm sorry, but this is the very sort of thing that kept Bama in the Toilet until they got sick of it and went after Saban, lock stock and barrell. Have we learned nothing from their example?

Both hires are low budget hires. What does that say to us as a fanbase? Is that all we are worth? Is that what this program is to Hamilton...a low-mid level SEC team?
I'm starting to loathe the day he arrived. He came from Clemson and, like Kiffin, I don't think he thinks that much of Tennessee's winning tradition cause quite frankly, he wasn't here during much of it.
He got here while this program was in Fulmer's later year decline, and he likely DOES see Tennessee as a lower tier SEC program...that's all he's ever seen.

Mike Hamilton does not view Tennessee as deserving a Lovie Smith type hire...or Kyle Wittingham...at a $4million/yr+ contract. His actions bear this out.
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Lets not blame Hamilton all of thought that Fulmer was coasting and by a large degree it would seem he was (Still a great coach) LOOK! we all Love him Kiffin when he was here he did a wonderful with all of the problems he had player quitting because they hadn't worked hard etc. recruiting was great barrely losing to Florida, Alambama went to a bowl top 5 class it was great until he left so lets not blame hammy we all wanted it except for kiffin leaving
 
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HwyChile said:
Lovie Smith is not such a great candidate. He will be fired soon, and the people in Chicago, including the players, say he is incompetent. Kyle Wittingham did not want the job. You cannot force someone to take a job that they do not want. The bottom line is that this is the best UT could do. Live with it.
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Hamilton said specifically that Dooley was the first he offered. So, you tell me where you get this idea that we struck out on everyone else before him.

I have been looking high and low, and have yet to see any evidence that we gave it our best shot and we couldn't agree to terms with all the other candidates.

We are such a lowly program now that only unqualified candidates will be hired?
 
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
Hamilton said specifically that Dooley was the first he offered. So, you tell me where you get this idea that we struck out on everyone else before him.

I have been looking high and low, and have yet to see any evidence that we gave it our best shot and we couldn't agree to terms with all the other candidates.

We are such a lowly program now that only unqualified candidates will be hired?
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Why dont you give the man a chance before you call him unqualified? The FACTS are you have NEVER played college football, you have never coached college football, and you have NO IDEA what it takes to succeed in college football. Its fans like you that expected us to hire away Bob Stoops or get Jon Gruden that cant realize that UT, right now, is not the program it used to be. Grow a pair and support our coach until he gives you a reason not to. Ridiculous.
 
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SoCalFan said:
I am a Duke alum married to a USC alum and we go to the home football games. So I have followed these events very closely. I have always thought highly of Tennessee football and know that it has very passionate fans.

Here are some things I don't quite understand:
1. Why was Fulmer let go? Was it just for a change or are you looking to compete with Meyer etc?

- 2 out of 3 losing seasons. Program in decline.

2. Why Kiffin? I don't remember the timing. Were you rushed into it? Was he the first choice? I thought he was a bad hire by the Raiders, a bad hire by Tenn and a bad hire by USC.

- Why indeed.

3. Did Kiffin do a good job?

- He said he did. He was never here long enough to show us how well he could do in a full recruiting class.

4. Why was his buy out only $800K? Peanuts in todays world. That would not stop a top college or any pro program. Was your AD trying to keep him from taking a high school job?

- It was a $1 million buyout on a $2 million salary, with a $200k/yr decline

5. Duke loves Cutcliffe. Why did so many not want him here?

- Afraid we'd go back to the old ways. Fans want a more modern program.

It just appears to me that Tenn wants to compete with the big boys but wants to do it on the cheap. I hope Dooley is successful. If he is then you will have to open the pocketbooks. Do you have the resources?

Wish USC luck with Kiffin. I am not sure that he is as bad as everyone says but he very well could be.

SoCal
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Answers quoted above. Good luck! Watch out for NFL openings.
 
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