Guns and our athletes

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When I read that they are talking about a "no guns" rule for our athletes it makes me furious.

I have shown lots of young men how to safely handle firearms. Many people in the United States grow up without a father to show them how to use a gun, how to clean a gun, what parts a gun has, what to look for when you are buying a used gun etc.

A young person who has a permit to carry a firearm will not nonchalantly treat their firearm. They will be a person who has above average responsibility as borne out by crime statistics involving permit holders (very few road rage shootings etc.).

What Hamilton is talking about I believe is something that I would support, and that is automatic dismissal for athletes convicted of any crime involving firearms.

The UT campus has a ban on guns but for athletes living off campus they can have guns.

Finally, if you want a laugh at the idiocy of someone who thinks they know about guns who REALLY does not, watch the video below:
YouTube - Police Officer Shoots Him Self In The Leg!
 
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Did this really deserve yet another thread?
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I think this thread was started just to post that worn out video on you tube.
 
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bamacheats said:
I think this thread was started just to post that worn out video on you tube.
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It was actually started due to the hysteria of the crybaby losers who want every athlete at UT to have to give up their rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.

Responsible gun ownership is a beautiful thing.
 
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It's your right as an American to own a firearm, it is also your right to carry it if you wish and your not a felon...but let's face it, they were unregistered, and one had altered serial numbers...not mentioning the bud.

Plus, you can't carry a firearm on campus, no matter what. I don't think that there will be a suspension for a player who gets caught with a registered firearm at his house. ( so long as it's off campus, that is ).
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
It was actually started due to the hysteria of the crybaby losers who want every athlete at UT to have to give up their rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.

Responsible gun ownership is a beautiful thing.
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Well it's a good thing that Nuke and Mike didn't have a real gun, or they would be in even deeper sh*t...too bad Tyler and his gang of hoodlums were smoking bud and concealing unregistered firearms, one of which had altered serial numbers. Basically it was a stolen gun, and depending on the make and model there could be another felony charge for Tyler.
 
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GahLee said:
It's your right as an American to own a firearm, it is also your right to carry it if you wish and your not a felon...but let's face it, they were unregistered, and one had altered serial numbers...not mentioning the bud.

Plus, you can't carry a firearm on campus, no matter what. I don't think that there will be a suspension for a player who gets caught with a registered firearm at his house. ( so long as it's off campus, that is ).
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There also is not a crime in that instance, except whatever pretense the police used to get into your house and then examine your weapons...

The felony is not dependent on the make and model of the gun. It is in large measure dependent on whether or not the DA believes that he can prove that Tyler or anyone else in the car knowingly altered the serial number or knowingly transported the gun with the altered serial number (which they were aware of) across state lines.

My guess is that Tyler cannot tell you where the serial number is, the difference between hollow point and armor piercing or whether a trigger pulls with 8 pounds or 80. The guy in all likelihood just does not know much about guns.
 
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I'd like to clear up a couple of things.

A firearm in your house does NOT have to be registered to you in this state. The is no mandatory firearms registration in the state of Tennessee. You do not have to register a firearm that you purchase from an individual that resides in this state. Nor does a background chack have to be done. Licensed Firearms Dealers are the only ones that must perform background checks.

If you wish to carry a firearm on your person, you must have a Handgun Carry Permit. If you wish to carry a LOADED firearm in your car, you must have a Handgun Carry Permit. It is permissable to transport an unloaded firearm in your car, but unloaded means no rounds in the magazine, even if the magazine is not in the firearm.

It is not permissable to alter the serial number on a firearm. That is a federal offense.
 
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MHF is right. We should show all our athletes how to safely handle a gun. And have each of them get a permit so when they get pulled over with pot they wont get into big trouble. Makes perfect sense.......:rolleyes:or how about we go ahead and get all our athletes a permit to smoke weed legally. That will really show everyone.....
 
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Billboard of #Vols bball player Tyler Smith on I-40 now covered up-Heather Harrington's Twitter.
 
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Tenn Ted said:
I'd like to clear up a couple of things.

A firearm in your house does NOT have to be registered to you in this state. The is no mandatory firearms registration in the state of Tennessee. You do not have to register a firearm that you purchase from an individual that resides in this state. Nor does a background chack have to be done. Licensed Firearms Dealers are the only ones that must perform background checks.

If you wish to carry a firearm on your person, you must have a Handgun Carry Permit. If you wish to carry a LOADED firearm in your car, you must have a Handgun Carry Permit. It is permissable to transport an unloaded firearm in your car, but unloaded means no rounds in the magazine, even if the magazine is not in the firearm.

It is not permissable to alter the serial number on a firearm. That is a federal offense.
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If you don't have a carry permit, I think you are supposed to leave the firearm or the container it is in in full view (on a seat, gun rack, etc.). Correct me if I am wrong on that, that is what I was told. It may not be a rule though, it may be just to minimize any hassling by law enforcement.
 
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I'm pro 2nd Amendment and all, but just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you can do it all the time. What I mean by that is, team athletes have always been subject to rules normal people don't have. That's why I think the weed discussion is silly, because even if it were legal, a coach/AD can still have a no weed policy.
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There is absolutely no reason UT athletes need to carry guns...At all...Knoxville isn't exactly chicago or a big city where there is the threat of gang violence...I am all for ownership of guns and the right to own them safely but there is no reason those guys needed to have those guns in the car...Unless they had other ideas...Kids today think owning a gun or having a gun is gangsta and cool when in fact it is very dangerous and stupid and the time is going to come where one of these athletes is going to shoot someone or get shot and then what?...Just makes no sense to me why they would have guns in that car...I think they should all be kicked off the team...We are UT, We were before them and will be after them.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
It was actually started due to the hysteria of the crybaby losers who want every athlete at UT to have to give up their rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.

Responsible gun ownership is a beautiful thing.
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Adults have a right to own a gun. They don't have a right to be an athlete at UT. If the University of Tennessee feels like it's got an image problem because of guns -- and right now, it does -- then why can't it decide that it only wants to select athletes who choose not to own guns? You can keep the gun or you can play basketball. Or you can go somewhere else to play basketball where they don't feel like they have an image problem with guns. Why is that a problem?

I have no problem at all with responsible gun ownership. But I can't see why an organization that feels like its brand is being damaged can't require its students who choose to play sports to give up firearms. Nobody's guaranteed a right to a spot on a football or basketball team.
 
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gahlee said:
it's your right as an american to own a firearm, it is also your right to carry it if you wish and your not a felon...but let's face it, they were unregistered, and one had altered serial numbers...not mentioning the bud.

Plus, you can't carry a firearm on campus, no matter what. I don't think that there will be a suspension for a player who gets caught with a registered firearm at his house. ( so long as it's off campus, that is ).
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guns are not registered in the state of tennessee.
 
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Oh, and there's nothing "beautiful" about handgun ownership. You own a handgun as a grim choice you make to protect yourself and defend your family, not because it's "beautiful." Not unless you're one of these fetishists who uses a handgun as a proxy for his phallus.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
When I read that they are talking about a "no guns" rule for our athletes it makes me furious.

I have shown lots of young men how to safely handle firearms. Many people in the United States grow up without a father to show them how to use a gun, how to clean a gun, what parts a gun has, what to look for when you are buying a used gun etc.

A young person who has a permit to carry a firearm will not nonchalantly treat their firearm. They will be a person who has above average responsibility as borne out by crime statistics involving permit holders (very few road rage shootings etc.).

What Hamilton is talking about I believe is something that I would support, and that is automatic dismissal for athletes convicted of any crime involving firearms.

The UT campus has a ban on guns but for athletes living off campus they can have guns.

Finally, if you want a laugh at the idiocy of someone who thinks they know about guns who REALLY does not, watch the video below:
YouTube - Police Officer Shoots Him Self In The Leg!
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I don't care how much training these young men may or may not have on guns, having weapons and drugs is completely unacceptable and I strongly encourage UT to continue with a zero tolerance policy for our players caught in this situation. This goes way beyond constitutional rights to bear arms.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
There is absolutely no reason UT athletes need to carry guns...At all...Knoxville isn't exactly chicago or a big city where there is the threat of gang violence...I am all for ownership of guns and the right to own them safely but there is no reason those guys needed to have those guns in the car...Unless they had other ideas...Kids today think owning a gun or having a gun is gangsta and cool when in fact it is very dangerous and stupid and the time is going to come where one of these athletes is going to shoot someone or get shot and then what?...Just makes no sense to me why they would have guns in that car...I think they should all be kicked off the team...We are UT, We were before them and will be after them.
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This is just wrong. You must think of Knoxville as Bearden and Farragut and have your ears plugged when the news about the Newsom murders dominated. Knoxville has a broad area by Lonsdale that is as dangerous as Memphis or Detroit. Many of the parties and clubs that frequent the kind of music favored by some of the athletes are often also frequented by the same dangerous people who live in the aforementioned part of Knoxville.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
This is just wrong. You must think of Knoxville as Bearden and Farragut and have your ears plugged when the news about the Newsom murders dominated. Knoxville has a broad area by Lonsdale that is as dangerous as Memphis or Detroit. Many of the parties and clubs that frequent the kind of music favored by some of the athletes are often also frequented by the same dangerous people who live in the aforementioned part of Knoxville.
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Then the athletes shouldn't be there. It is not in the team's(or their) best interest.
 
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IPorange said:
If you don't have a carry permit, I think you are supposed to leave the firearm or the container it is in in full view (on a seat, gun rack, etc.). Correct me if I am wrong on that, that is what I was told. It may not be a rule though, it may be just to minimize any hassling by law enforcement.
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If you do not have a permit what you are trying to do is avoid being hit with "intent to go armed". This doesn't even have to be a gun by the way as walking around with a billy club or a Bowie knife can get you in trouble too.

I would NEVER recommend having a gun in plain sight in a vehicle if I could possibly help it, even if one had a permit. Any cop that saw you could give you a hard time about it and even a civilian could start screeching into their cell phone and have the cops show up for an MWAG (man with a gun) call. In short, it's not worth the trouble. What you need to know is:

Obviously, gun must be unloaded.

It's best if gun is not in reach of anyone.

In any case DO NOT have gun AND ammunition in reach. Have gun and ammunition separate no matter what. If your vehicle has a trunk that's the best place for it. If it doesn't, like an SUV, you're best off having the gun cased and locked and the ammunition at least far enough away that it looks like you made some attempt to keep them separate.

No UT player should be riding with loaded guns unless they are with someone that has a permit or they have a permit themselves. This isn't a 2nd Amendment issue because it's not a question of them owning firearms but rather what they are doing with them. If the guns are properly stored and they're going to/from a day of target shooting, fine. That is clearly not the conversation we're having about our basketball players.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
This is just wrong. You must think of Knoxville as Bearden and Farragut and have your ears plugged when the news about the Newsom murders dominated. Knoxville has a broad area by Lonsdale that is as dangerous as Memphis or Detroit. Many of the parties and clubs that frequent the kind of music favored by some of the athletes are often also frequented by the same dangerous people who live in the aforementioned part of Knoxville.
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You, obviously, are correct. Instead of a zero tolerance policy, UT should supply guns to all players in every sport so when they frequent the drug infested, high crime areas, they can protect themselves.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Oh, and there's nothing "beautiful" about handgun ownership. You own a handgun as a grim choice you make to protect yourself and defend your family, not because it's "beautiful." Not unless you're one of these fetishists who uses a handgun as a proxy for his phallus.
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Strange you must not be a big student of history. The fact that I can protect my family from ruin and murder is not a grim choice. ICBMs are not grim weapons. I can avoid conflict by letting evil men know that they will forfeit their life if they come after me. It also serves to curb the excess of dictatorial governments which is why taking away guns was one of the first orders of business for many of the worst regimes in history including the Nazis. The founders of our great republic understood that, and that is why they drafted the 2nd Amendment. It is beautiful that Kennesaw Georgia has lower crime than much of the surrounding area because they require gun ownership.

25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'
 
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FWIW, if anyone is interested, in TN if you have a hangun carry permit you can transport a loaded long gun as long as you do not have a round chambered.
 
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