Gun control debate (merged)

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I am curious about crime stats pre Tennessee open carry vs. open carry.

And before you attack me, I'm not a typical gun control liberal. I'm pretty cool with whatever aside from like a grenade launcher or whatever.
 
#18,952
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zeppelin128 said:
I am curious about crime stats pre Tennessee open carry vs. open carry.

And before you attack me, I'm not a typical gun control liberal. I'm pretty cool with whatever aside from like a grenade launcher or whatever.
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Probably too early to tell considering the law took effect just last summer.

However, if it follows the pattern in other states that have had permitless carry for longer, then it certainly won't cause an increase in gun crime.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Probably too early to tell considering the law took effect just last summer.

However, if it follows the pattern in other states that have had permitless carry for longer, then it certainly won't cause an increase in gun crime.
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Member when guns in bars was going to lead to drunken shootouts and duels in the streets?

I member.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I am curious about crime stats pre Tennessee open carry vs. open carry.

And before you attack me, I'm not a typical gun control liberal. I'm pretty cool with whatever aside from like a grenade launcher or whatever.
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open carry creates a conundrum for law enforcement. they cannot just stop people for having a handgun, or a handgun looking bulge, without reasonable suspicion of some other crime. pre-open carry, they could stop and ask if you have a permit. so I'd expect arrests for weapons possession to go down. I imagine though that you're referring to violent crime, primarily assaults and murders committed with handguns. I expect those rates will go up as the economy worsens, particularly in lower income areas. Memphis may break a record, but that probably has more to do with the massive amount of poverty than more people carrying guns. There's been some scuttlebutt about extending our open carry to include long guns, like we saw in a lot of other states during the 2020 demonstrations/riots. I haven't heard much about that lately so I don't know whether it might actually happen this year.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I am curious about crime stats pre Tennessee open carry vs. open carry.

And before you attack me, I'm not a typical gun control liberal. I'm pretty cool with whatever aside from like a grenade launcher or whatever.
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The number one indicator for gun crimes has always been the economy. As @VolunteerHillbilly said. Things are going well, gun crime (all violent crime) goes down. Economy goes to crap gun (all violent crime) goes up.

So I wouldnt compare 2022 or 2023 to 2019 (pre covid), if we see a crash. If things chug along I think you could do a comparison. I would also not use 2020 and 2021 for comparisons as there was enough weird going on to throw any numbers.

For what it's worth TN averages around 1200 gun deaths a year (including suicides, and cop shootings), which was about 16.9 per 100k. Suicides make up 59%. Data from 2019 and the link below.

Tennessee - The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence
 
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LouderVol said:
The number one indicator for gun crimes has always been the economy. As @VolunteerHillbilly said. Things are going well, gun crime (all violent crime) goes down. Economy goes to crap gun (all violent crime) goes up.

So I wouldnt compare 2022 or 2023 to 2019 (pre covid), if we see a crash. If things chug along I think you could do a comparison. I would also not use 2020 and 2021 for comparisons as there was enough weird going on to throw any numbers.

For what it's worth TN averages around 1200 gun deaths a year (including suicides, and cop shootings), which was about 16.9 per 100k. Suicides make up 59%. Data from 2019 and the link below.

Tennessee - The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence
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This cannot be right. Has to be excluding the thousands of people slaughtered by scary black assault rifles, ghost guns and silencers.
 
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LouderVol said:
The number one indicator for gun crimes has always been the economy. As @VolunteerHillbilly said. Things are going well, gun crime (all violent crime) goes down. Economy goes to crap gun (all violent crime) goes up.

So I wouldnt compare 2022 or 2023 to 2019 (pre covid), if we see a crash. If things chug along I think you could do a comparison. I would also not use 2020 and 2021 for comparisons as there was enough weird going on to throw any numbers.

For what it's worth TN averages around 1200 gun deaths a year (including suicides, and cop shootings), which was about 16.9 per 100k. Suicides make up 59%. Data from 2019 and the link below.

Tennessee - The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence
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Curious if we count suicide by hanging as "strangulation violence".
 
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luthervol said:
No - you do not have it straight in the least.
Little Johnny is addicted to oxy because his doctor unnecessarily overprescribed oxy after Johnny's knee surgery for a football injury suffered during his senior year in high school. The manufacturer, pharmaceutical sells rep, doctor, and pharmacists were all aware of the unnecessary risk, but were willing to pass that risk on to Johnny because it put a couple of dollars in their pocket and they didn't think they were doing anything illegal - even though they were all aware it was highly immoral.
They self justified by saying "I'm not doing anything illegal, Johnny can refuse the prescription or not take the full prescription, it's Johnny's choice, the pills are inanimate objects, they can't hurt anyone, they can only harm when abused by people making poor choices, many people take oxy and just fine......"
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Little oxy = gun in this tale. Both inatimate objects until touched by humans.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The whole last line of thinking from leftists makes no sense, especially as they keep pushing programs to provide drug paraphernalia to users across the country. Can we start suing local, state, and federal governments for directly encouraging addictions, too?
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Oh no, you can’t attack the safety agenda of handing out clean needles because we don’t want the spread of disease, even though they already have a deadly addiction and several other diseases already.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Glad to know you know support FBI criminal background checks and poll taxes for voter registration.
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Providing ID, support the providers of ballots making judgement calls on who they provide ballots too. Restrictions on how many offices/elections you get to vote on. Limiting where you can get and use your ballots.

Remember it's easier to get guns than books....
 
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luthervol said:
One gun every couple of years that must be purchased in the district in which you are registered and is completely non-transferable.
I'll make that trade.
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One gun? You only get to vote in one election? Your ballot come with only one group of names on it? All these politicians out here wasting money campaigning if you cant even vote for that office because you already spent it somewhere else.

Also pretty sure your one district of voting is America since you so proudly proclaim your actions in the presidential voting.
 
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LouderVol said:
One gun? You only get to vote in one election? Your ballot come with only one group of names on it? All these politicians out here wasting money campaigning if you cant even vote for that office because you already spent it somewhere else.

Also pretty sure your one district of voting is America since you so proudly proclaim your actions in the presidential voting.
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lol....No you get one vote that you can cast in as many elections as are on that particular ballot. View it as your vote is the gun and the elections on the ballot is the ammunition for that gun. One gun can fire more than once, one vote can be cast more than once.
Also pretty sure you have to vote in the district in which you are registered.
 
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