Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
lol.......The states appointed them? You do know those were actually people elected at the state level that did the appointing...right? No matter how you twist and turn, it's always ultimately the people who decide. That's a good thing, it's the only way it can be, I don't know why you guys are so terrified of that reality. Oh wait a second, I do know.
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luthervol said:
The state is nothing more than a societal sub-group.
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LMFAO! You’re still trying to sell pure Democracy as “society” with your gibberish and you know it’s doomed so you keep up your platitudes with your substitute word for “pure democracy”... and nobody is still buying it. And they won’t.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Yes, volunteers were the military and militias, too. They are all professional soldiers now,
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Had nothing whatsoever to do with that and it’s been rehashed ad nauseam in this forum. It means exactly what it says, the PEOPLE will retain the means to cast tyranny off of them should it re-emerge in our country.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
LMFAO! You’re still trying to sell pure Democracy as “society” with your gibberish and you know it’s doomed so you keep up your platitudes with your substitute word for “pure democracy”... and nobody is still buying it. And they won’t.
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Don't care.
Truth wins..........eventually.
 
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luthervol said:
lol.......The states appointed them? You do know those were actually people elected at the state level that did the appointing...right? No matter how you twist and turn, it's always ultimately the people who decide. That's a good thing, it's the only way it can be, I don't know why you guys are so terrified of that reality. Oh wait a second, I do know.
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Because the average American is dumb. And that means 49% of America is dumber than dumb.

You are ensuring that only bad ideas get propagated.

Seriously you want any given random stranger making decisions that will effect your life?
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Yes, volunteers were the military and militias, too. They are all professional soldiers now,
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An even better argument for why we should access to military arms. An armed citizenry can defend itself against foreign AND domestic threats. The founders weren’t worried about the government finding armed people to fight off invaders. They were worried about the government disarming the citizenry. The citizens had a right to overthrow a government that ignored the constitution, violently if necessary.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
An even better argument for why we should access to military arms. An armed citizenry can defend itself against foreign AND domestic threats. The founders weren’t worried about the government finding armed people to fight off invaders. They were worried about the government disarming the citizenry. The citizens had a right to overthrow a government that ignored the constitution, violently if necessary.
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Isn't it a sad point of reference to know that our educational system is cranking out students who don't know the first thing about the Constitution or Declaration of Independence...or about the men who made these documents. Instead, our founding fathers are racists and land grabers and meanies.......instead of being lauded for being so far ahead of their time and encompassing more depth, foresight, and intelligence than we have today.

Every 7th grader should be made to memorize and damn near recite these, yet, probably 3 out of 4 don't know a thing about them.
 
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luthervol said:
No one has the religious freedom to sacrifice babies as a ritual.
The press does not have the freedom to produce child pornography.
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Neither of those are even implied in the language of 1A. You couldn't read that into the 1A. The 2A has very specific language that EVERY gun control law EVER written violates.
 
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luthervol said:
That was the only point I was making. Society's right to restrict rights.
Glad you're back by the way.
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Society has no rights. Ever. The Constitution applies to individuals and the States and Country that they make up. It doesn't apply to Society. The 1A is a specific set of rights for individuals, not the collective. Same as the 2A.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Neither of those are even implied in the language of 1A. You couldn't read that into the 1A. The 2A has very specific language that EVERY gun control law EVER written violates.
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Hilarious. Not even remotely true. I'm thinking this may be one of those points on which we never agree.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
An even better argument for why we should access to military arms. An armed citizenry can defend itself against foreign AND domestic threats. The founders weren’t worried about the government finding armed people to fight off invaders. They were worried about the government disarming the citizenry. The citizens had a right to overthrow a government that ignored the constitution, violently if necessary.
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Battle of Athens (1946) - Wikipedia
 
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luthervol said:
Hilarious. Not even remotely true. I'm thinking this may be one of those points on which we never agree.
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Why not Luther? What language in the 2A do you need help with? You can break down the words into their individual definitions (as long as you use the meaning at the time the Constitution was written and not the millennial definitions) and it is very simple.
 
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