Gun control debate (merged)

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OHvol40 said:
Sure.
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And those people will be free from prevention and harassment by union members? Yeah, you've already answered those actions are acceptable to you

So they can be out of the union, and exempt from all dues, but must accept harassment. Seems like a sweet gig and completely in line with individual choice.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’d agree with almost everything you said.
I’m not sure the union is that helpful though.

For example when I put work out for bid I always give the union guys a opportunity. The non union guys will give me a quote for the work and we sign a contract. The union bid almost always be something along the lines of “we will send 3 guys at —$ per hour and send you a bill when done. I don’t hire out subs without knowing what it will cost me. The union guys flat out refuse to give you a price. That’s what they never win my work.

I have had the dipsticks protest a job site for “unfair labor practices “ all because I hired someone else. Had a nice sign and everything.
I asked the guy sitting at the sign if he was in the union. Nope, just making 11$ an hour to sit there
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Unions were corrupt laundering operations for the mafia and now service the Dem party. Only a naive sucker would ever join a union
 
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OHvol40 said:
Maintaining the power of unionization is the most effective tool that workers have to fend off potential tyranny from extremely large and powerful employers.

Unions aren’t perfect, just like any other organization, but their basic purpose still remains relevant.
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You still haven't addressed why right to work laws are so dangerous to unions.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Again, most didn’t have the means to relocate entire households from the Ohio Valley to a place like Detroit or Chicago for gainful employment (both of which were experiencing the same kind of monopolistic tyranny themselves... out of the frying pan and into the fire so to speak).

I support a employer’s right to fire people at will, as long as unions are also unfettered.
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How do right to work laws threaten unions?
 
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Where OH goes off the rails comparing unions to the 2A is nowhere in the US is there a state law requiring gun ownership if you don't want to or yearly dues to come out of your paycheck to support the 2A.

While I despise unions and think they have outlived their usefulness I don't have a problem with their existence, my only problem is states that do not protect people who don't want to join one.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How do right to work laws threaten unions?
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It doesn’t really “threaten unions.” The contention against right-to-work laws is that people who choose employment without choosing to participate in the union should not reap any benefits gained by the union. Do you disagree?
 
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OHvol40 said:
It doesn’t really “threaten unions.” The contention against right-to-work laws is that people who choose employment without choosing to participate in the union should not reap any benefits gained by the union. Do you disagree?
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I disagree completely.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The employer was forcing their concept of fair compensation on the employees too, and the employees are rejecting it and using their collective power to get what they desire.
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Hmmm... sounds like your resolution is to threaten encourage your fellow man that is just trying to put food on his plate vs going after your real enemy (the company).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hmmm... sounds like your resolution is the threaten encourage your fellow man that is just trying to put food on his plate vs going after your real enemy (the company).
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If you can’t see past the consequences of a single day or week, I’m sure that’s true for you.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Why, do you regularly make gains for doing nothing?
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Being a productive employee is doing something. And (at least in TN) if you work in a union shop but do not join the union you do not automatically receive all of the "benefits" member do.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It doesn’t control anything, it just creates incentives or deterrents.
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C'mon man.

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hog88 said:
Being a productive employee is doing something. And (at least in TN) if you work in a union shop but do not join the union you do not automatically receive all of the "benefits" member do.
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I don’t think they should receive any collectively bargained benefits.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It doesn’t really “threaten unions.” The contention against right-to-work laws is that people who choose employment without choosing to participate in the union should not reap any benefits gained by the union. Do you disagree?
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Life is unfair sometimes. I get it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t think they should receive any collectively bargained benefits.
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What does it say about the company if they do give it benefits to non-striking employees? To my understanding, companies don't have to do that. They should be able to pay whatever they want.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Why, do you regularly make gains for doing nothing?
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Not sure what you mean. Most companies worth a grain of salt already offer good benefits, yearly COL/merit raises, and many give bonuses. Why the need to collective bargain? I mean if it’s a s****y company just go somewhere else.
 
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