Gun control debate (merged)

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SpaceCoastVol said:
Absolutely correct. Even if that person spends hours each week at the range, jihadis are much better trained. But that isn't the issue now is it? As you are so fond of pointing out, the terrorists are not the problem, workplace violence is, and that office worker just might give everybody else a fighting chance to escape with their lives. I'll take those odds any day.

By the way, what is an assault rifle?
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Anything beyond a Remington 510.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My point is that, whether its Die Hard or a John Wayne movie, the far right has a whole bunch of idiots within it who have romanticized gun ownership, and who have bought into the notion that its "cool" or "manly" to possess a gun. That one day, you could be the hero that stops terrorists (or even just a mugging).

That with an hour of training, you can, like, kneel down behind a car door, and pick off the bad guys from 50 yards away with your handgun. Or hid behind a theater chair and start turkey shooting the terrorists in the balcony armed with assault rifles they converted to automatics.

It is not impossible to find incidents where people have successfully used firearms to prevent crime. But the simple fact is that it is extremely rare combined to uses of guns to commit crime. And in terms of terrorists incidents, the claim that if everyone was strapped then they could kill off the terrorists out of the blue is just really absurd, and is based on this naivete born of Hollywood.
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The American Rifleman magazine lists probably 10-12 instances around the country every month of guns used to prevent crime.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The American Rifleman magazine lists probably 10-12 instances around the country every month of guns used to prevent crime.
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And not included are the many instances a criminal was deterred or crime prevented due to the threat that the victim might have a gun.
 
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It's futile to attempt to accurately measure data from events involving private gun ownership because the mainstream actively pushes the negative events and suppresses the positive ones.

Heros with pistols are the last thing the ruling elite want people to know about.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My point is that, whether its Die Hard or a John Wayne movie, the far right has a whole bunch of idiots within it who have romanticized gun ownership, and who have bought into the notion that its "cool" or "manly" to possess a gun. That one day, you could be the hero that stops terrorists (or even just a mugging).

That with an hour of training, you can, like, kneel down behind a car door, and pick off the bad guys from 50 yards away with your handgun. Or hid behind a theater chair and start turkey shooting the terrorists in the balcony armed with assault rifles they converted to automatics.

It is not impossible to find incidents where people have successfully used firearms to prevent crime. But the simple fact is that it is extremely rare combined to uses of guns to commit crime. And in terms of terrorists incidents, the claim that if everyone was strapped then they could kill off the terrorists out of the blue is just really absurd, and is based on this naivete born of Hollywood.
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You look like a bigger moron with every post you make. You excel at painting entire groups of people with absurd caricatures you've created and legitimized in your mind.

Yet you screech and bray when anyone hints at a generalization about Muslims, minorities, women, etc.

Pure gold.

:machgun: :gun: :machgun: :gun:
 
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DC_Vol said:
You look like a bigger moron with every post you make. You excel at painting entire groups of people with absurd caricatures you've created and legitimized in your mind.

Yet you screech and bray when anyone hints at a generalization about Muslims, minorities, women, etc.

Pure gold.

:machgun: :gun: :machgun: :gun:
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The thing about lawgator is that he doesn't care. His life revolves around stirring people up.

If his life was on the line and it came down to someone pointing a gun at him, he'd wish one of the right wing gun owners he so despises was there with him.
 
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VolStrom said:
The thing about lawgator is that he doesn't care. His life revolves around stirring people up.

If his life was on the line and it came down to someone pointing a gun at him, he'd wish one of the right wing gun owners he so despises was there with him.
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I have been saying for a long time that if all these people yelling for gun control was in a place where where they knew for a fact they was going to be shot and killed. I promise you if they could get to a gun they would pick it up and take a shot at them.

Its not in our nature just to lay down and die...If your kids/Spouse is in danger you will do anything to help.
 
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C1500 said:
I have been saying for a long time that if all these people yelling for gun control was in a place where where they knew for a fact they was going to be shot and killed. I promise you if they could get to a gun they would pick it up and take a shot at them.

Its not in our nature just to lay down and die...If your kids/Spouse is in danger you will do anything to help.
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I'll disagree.
 
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"In a grim reminder that violence in America never takes a holiday, 27 people were killed and 63 injured in shooting incidents on Christmas Day this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. This tally does not include people who shot themselves in suicide."

"The number of Americans killed in gun homicides on Christmas Day is comparable to the number of people killed in gun homicides in an entire year in places like Australia or Britain."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-s-than-in-an-entire-year-in-these-countries/
 
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Abe Hoffman said:
"In a grim reminder that violence in America never takes a holiday, 27 people were killed and 63 injured in shooting incidents on Christmas Day this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. This tally does not include people who shot themselves in suicide."

"The number of Americans killed in gun homicides on Christmas Day is comparable to the number of people killed in gun homicides in an entire year in places like Australia or Britain."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-s-than-in-an-entire-year-in-these-countries/
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I have guns, and I didn't kill anybody. Am I normal?
 
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Abe Hoffman said:
"In a grim reminder that violence in America never takes a holiday, 27 people were killed and 63 injured in shooting incidents on Christmas Day this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. This tally does not include people who shot themselves in suicide."

"The number of Americans killed in gun homicides on Christmas Day is comparable to the number of people killed in gun homicides in an entire year in places like Australia or Britain."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-s-than-in-an-entire-year-in-these-countries/
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Why cherry pick Australia and Great Britain? How many died in Muslim countries or Africa? What about China or India? People like you always cherry pick statistics.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll disagree.
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Ok lets set a stage.

You are with your family at home when a guy with a gun brakes in and you can tell from him yelling that he has a gun and plans to use it. The best option is to get your family out and to a safe place, but lets say thats not a option. You have called 911 and police are on their way, the guy has made his way down the hallway and you know that the police will not make it to your house in time. You have 2 options:

1. Hide on the side of the bed facing away from the door and hope he passes by.

2. Grab the gun on the night stand and inform the guy that you are armed and will use deadly force should he walk into the room.

I'm sorry but I would be going with #2. Everyone has a right to their out look on things. I'm not looking to force anyone to own a gun, but I don't want anyone telling me I don't need one because they believe in option #1.

I don't carry a gun because I want/plan on using it out other then my yard for sport shooting. I don't carry one because it makes me feel like more of a man. I carry one because if I feel like my life is in danger of being took from me I have a option to help myself.

If anyone has never helped their local police department when they do some of their training exercises I would highly recommend it. You learn alot on how they are trained when called for shootings/+ alot of other cool things.

I don't want to come off sounding like a butthole or hateful. I respect anyone that don't want to own a gun, but I feel I deserve the same respect on my right to own one.

This is not just meant for you Grand Vol. I just seen you reply first so I just quoted you.
 
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How many people killed themselves this year with a knife, fork and spoon by consuming too much fat and calories? Enough is enough...it's time to end hot wing violence and ban assault bbq ribs. Something needs to be done.
 
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C1500 said:
Ok lets set a stage.

You are with your family at home when a guy with a gun brakes in and you can tell from him yelling that he has a gun and plans to use it. The best option is to get your family out and to a safe place, but lets say thats not a option. You have called 911 and police are on their way, the guy has made his way down the hallway and you know that the police will not make it to your house in time. You have 2 options:

1. Hide on the side of the bed facing away from the door and hope he passes by.

2. Grab the gun on the night stand and inform the guy that you are armed and will use deadly force should he walk into the room.

I'm sorry but I would be going with #2. Everyone has a right to their out look on things. I'm not looking to force anyone to own a gun, but I don't want anyone telling me I don't need one because they believe in option #1.

I don't carry a gun because I want/plan on using it out other then my yard for sport shooting. I don't carry one because it makes me feel like more of a man. I carry one because if I feel like my life is in danger of being took from me I have a option to help myself.

If anyone has never helped their local police department when they do some of their training exercises I would highly recommend it. You learn alot on how they are trained when called for shootings/+ alot of other cool things.

I don't want to come off sounding like a butthole or hateful. I respect anyone that don't want to own a gun, but I feel I deserve the same respect on my right to own one.

This is not just meant for you Grand Vol. I just seen you reply first so I just quoted you.
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I would go with option #3. Grab the gun on the nightstand, and open fire when he walked by the room. No warning given.
 
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Abe Hoffman said:
"In a grim reminder that violence in America never takes a holiday, 27 people were killed and 63 injured in shooting incidents on Christmas Day this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. This tally does not include people who shot themselves in suicide."

"The number of Americans killed in gun homicides on Christmas Day is comparable to the number of people killed in gun homicides in an entire year in places like Australia or Britain."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-s-than-in-an-entire-year-in-these-countries/
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Oh Abe, you really should check the links you provide a little more closely...

Let's see, gang member and probably shot with a weapon that was not legal:

Man wounded in Jackson Park Highlands shooting | Chicago Sun-Times

Gang member:

Man shot in North Austin | Chicago Sun-Times

This looks like it might be self defense:

No charges in Gage Park domestic shooting | Chicago Sun-Times

Accidentally shot themselves:

Denver Police: Christmas shooting was 'self-inflicted, accidental' - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com

Suicide after barricading himself in a home after a domestic disturbance:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29310643/sheriff-suspect-extended-el-paso-county-standoff-kills

This one was a negligent discharge from the cops:

http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/62842826-story

Here's another cop:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/duty-metro-officer-husband-accidentally-shoot-relative

Here's one where the victims were able to fight back:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crim...shooting-outside-e-dallas-tire-shop/77902100/

I could go on, but you get the point.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I would go with option #3. Grab the gun on the nightstand, and open fire when he walked by the room. No warning given.
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:) :) :) :)

The main reason I give the warning in that stage is when we teach women about gun safety we normally tell them if they are worried about the aftermath of a brake in shooting to stay on the phone with dispatch and yell the warning to the intruder so that it is on record that a warning was given and they felt their life was in danger.

Everyone goes about stuff different ways, but in the heat of the moment I may have picked #3 myself :p.
 
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C1500 said:
Ok lets set a stage.

You are with your family at home when a guy with a gun brakes in and you can tell from him yelling that he has a gun and plans to use it. The best option is to get your family out and to a safe place, but lets say thats not a option. You have called 911 and police are on their way, the guy has made his way down the hallway and you know that the police will not make it to your house in time. You have 2 options:

1. Hide on the side of the bed facing away from the door and hope he passes by.

2. Grab the gun on the night stand and inform the guy that you are armed and will use deadly force should he walk into the room.

This is not just meant for you Grand Vol. I just seen you reply first so I just quoted you.
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I'm not entirely positive I'd get that warning out before looking for a reload and telling the locals to take their time, no rush at this point...

My point was I don't think everyone will be that brave in instances like that.
 
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