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I am wondering if Butch Jones had all these great recruiting classes, why doesn't UT have any depth and why are we not good at all?

A lot of posters say Mike Leach is not a great recruiter. Well, I don't know enough to say one way or the other, but if great recruiters look like Butch Jones then who cares?

We need a coach who can win. UT will recruit itself if we start winning.

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Jones was not a "great recruiter." He recruited star ratings because he could never do that at previous jobs. Those were not coached nor were they selected as fits for needs or his precious scheme. Of the highly rated class of 2014, over half are gone! He either lied to them or ran them off with discontent.
 
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Everything I read says that CBJ recruiting classes were in the top, but his teams were never really there and this year was really bad. So, great recruiters does not mean great coach. That's my point.

Also, if an actual great coach does come, and he puts together a couple of good seasons, recruiting will go up on it's own.
 
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Butch recruited to 4-8 in 5 years, and fielding the WORST Tennessee Football Team in HISTORY!

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It's obvious that 1+1 not equaling 2. Think stories will come out, but too many defections from classes makes me think Butch put everyone on script...All you'd hear from recruits when they commit was family, family, family. Think when they got on campus, there was a different reality, which lead to defections. If we still had more of our classes we'd have more depth. That, and bad O system, no QB development, no depth development as a whole for when injuries hit.
 
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camp_steveo said:
I am wondering if Butch Jones had all these great recruiting classes, why doesn't UT have any depth and why are we not good at all?

A lot of posters say Mike Leach is not a great recruiter. Well, I don't know enough to say one way or the other, but if great recruiters look like Butch Jones then who cares?

We need a coach who can win. UT will recruit itself if we start winning.

Thoughts?
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1. Butch is not a great recruiter. UT is a great platform for recruiting. Butch wasn't known for great recruiting until he landed here.
2. Butch was a terrible manager of talent and expectations. He misled players and allowed chaos in his lockeroom.
3. Attrition, attrition, attrition.
Do you think Charles Mosley, Boulware, Raulerson, and Austin Sanders would have shored up depth at the Oline this year? Do you think Griffin, Bryant, Payne, Hendrix, Mixon and more could have helped this defense? Butch was unable to develop and utilize players or convince them of a role in the team. When those players left, it created holes in the armor. Injuries exposed the farce.
4. Consider the underused Alvin Kamara. Do you think Butch had any idea how to get this potential NFL offensive rookie of the year involved in the offense more? Kelly was under utilized this year. I'm sure there are players we didn't see who could have helped.
5. As Butch told us, he recruited 5-star hearts. I feel sorry for many that played under Butch because they bought a bogus bill of goods. They got poor coaching, poor development, poor strategy and poor game planning. Players have to believe. It's obvious this team does not believe.
Any decent coach will have success recruiting because UT has so much to offer. But, you have to manage the roster, recruit to the system (or change the system) and develop players.

Butch did all poorly.
 
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camp_steveo said:
I am wondering if Butch Jones had all these great recruiting classes, why doesn't UT have any depth and why are we not good at all?

A lot of posters say Mike Leach is not a great recruiter. Well, I don't know enough to say one way or the other, but if great recruiters look like Butch Jones then who cares?

We need a coach who can win. UT will recruit itself if we start winning.

Thoughts?
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Butch had a lot of tailwinds (legacies, huge increase of instate talent, lure of playing time, lots of schollys). Once those tailwinds disappeared, you get the class we signed in Feb 17.
 
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Vanderbilt and Memphis built on walkons and two stars. Recruiting is useless without coaching. Tennessee perfect example in last ten years
 
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Yep need a coach first..Butch wasn't known for his recruiting til he got here. His last two classes weren't as good as the first two. The attrition, injuries, lack of player development, has it in a bad spot right now.
 
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Roustabout said:
1. Butch is not a great recruiter. UT is a great platform for recruiting. Butch wasn't known for great recruiting until he landed here.
2. Butch was a terrible manager of talent and expectations. He misled players and allowed chaos in his lockeroom.
3. Attrition, attrition, attrition.
Do you think Charles Mosley, Boulware, Raulerson, and Austin Sanders would have shored up depth at the Oline this year? Do you think Griffin, Bryant, Payne, Hendrix, Mixon and more could have helped this defense? Butch was unable to develop and utilize players or convince them of a role in the team. When those players left, it created holes in the armor. Injuries exposed the farce.
4. Consider the underused Alvin Kamara. Do you think Butch had any idea how to get this potential NFL offensive rookie of the year involved in the offense more? Kelly was under utilized this year. I'm sure there are players we didn't see who could have helped.
5. As Butch told us, he recruited 5-star hearts. I feel sorry for many that played under Butch because they bought a bogus bill of goods. They got poor coaching, poor development, poor strategy and poor game planning. Players have to believe. It's obvious this team does not believe.
Any decent coach will have success recruiting because UT has so much to offer. But, you have to manage the roster, recruit to the system (or change the system) and develop players.

Butch did all poorly.
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Pretty much nailed it here.

Going back to Fulmer using it as an excuse in his later years, UT is not that hard a place to recruit.

No, there isn't the built in talent base of a Louisiana, Florida, Texas, California, etc but the history, tradition and facilities are all huge selling points.

It's taken the last two idiots hired to really tarnish the program.
 
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He recruited great players and then played them at different positions. He also lied to them. I bet he recruited Jennings to play QB and never gave him a chance.
 
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Butch did not recruit leaders, and the good players he did recruit were not developed. This crowd of Seniors may be the least competitive group of players to ever wear Tn orange and I for one am damn glad to see them go.
 
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Roustabout said:
1. Butch is not a great recruiter. UT is a great platform for recruiting. Butch wasn't known for great recruiting until he landed here.
2. Butch was a terrible manager of talent and expectations. He misled players and allowed chaos in his lockeroom.
3. Attrition, attrition, attrition.
Do you think Charles Mosley, Boulware, Raulerson, and Austin Sanders would have shored up depth at the Oline this year? Do you think Griffin, Bryant, Payne, Hendrix, Mixon and more could have helped this defense? Butch was unable to develop and utilize players or convince them of a role in the team. When those players left, it created holes in the armor. Injuries exposed the farce.
4. Consider the underused Alvin Kamara. Do you think Butch had any idea how to get this potential NFL offensive rookie of the year involved in the offense more? Kelly was under utilized this year. I'm sure there are players we didn't see who could have helped.
5. As Butch told us, he recruited 5-star hearts. I feel sorry for many that played under Butch because they bought a bogus bill of goods. They got poor coaching, poor development, poor strategy and poor game planning. Players have to believe. It's obvious this team does not believe.
Any decent coach will have success recruiting because UT has so much to offer. But, you have to manage the roster, recruit to the system (or change the system) and develop players.

Butch did all poorly.
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Caretaker of Bricks. First thing Currie does is take down the brick wall surrounding everything good about UT football. What's the over/under number of days it takes for Reaganesque "Take Down that Wall!"
DOeWjSEV4AAyxPx
 
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Butch put up good numbers as far as class ranking go never saw it on the field to the extent of the rankings.
 
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Butch was a damn goos recruiter here. How many guys did he offer first, only to see the other big boys come sniffing later on? He also grabbed a bunch of players late in the game that were leaning elsewhere. The man could recruit. Now it did help that there was a large legacy class, but he brought in plenty of other talent that us as fans were excited about.

That said...awful at player development. And game day decisions...ouch
 
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His Recruiting was fine. He didn't coach them well and didn't have an OC or DC with a good game plan. Failings were S&C, past 2 teams were soft. He purposely went less contact in practices to avoid injuries.

Then he should have had plans like Kamara gets at least 15 touches per game last year or this year Callaway should have gotten them ball at least 10 times and Kelly at least 20.

Our DC started Jumper over Bituli all year, how in the world does that happen? I like Jumper as a backup....but....

Then he didn't convince others of their roles, so we lost a ton of talent to attrition which was our depth.

Anyhow it is over, team has a lot of returning talent. Naming a good coach this week will shore up our class and get people like Mays back in the fold. OL next year for instance could have 3 5 Star recruits on it.
 
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camp_steveo said:
Everything I read says that CBJ recruiting classes were in the top, but his teams were never really there and this year was really bad. So, great recruiters does not mean great coach. That's my point.

Also, if an actual great coach does come, and he puts together a couple of good seasons, recruiting will go up on it's own.
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But!!!
As is being stated here, are these the great recruits they were thought to be? If not, then how will any coach have a couple of good seasons that will foster really great (fit scheme being used) recruits?

What comes first, the chicken or the egg?
 
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camp_steveo said:
I am wondering if Butch Jones had all these great recruiting classes, why doesn't UT have any depth and why are we not good at all?

A lot of posters say Mike Leach is not a great recruiter. Well, I don't know enough to say one way or the other, but if great recruiters look like Butch Jones then who cares?

We need a coach who can win. UT will recruit itself if we start winning.

Thoughts?
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1. Classes were overrated.
2. Poor player development
3. Didn’t get the right players, the most talented players on the field
4. Schematically poor, didn’t put players in the right positions to succeed
5. Culture.....the culture, the mindset, the player buy-in has been poor for awhile now and we saw that reflected/manifested in the team on the field.


The next coach has a monumental job ahead of him to get this program turned around.
 
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Roustabout said:
1. Butch is not a great recruiter. UT is a great platform for recruiting. Butch wasn't known for great recruiting until he landed here.
2. Butch was a terrible manager of talent and expectations. He misled players and allowed chaos in his lockeroom.
3. Attrition, attrition, attrition.
Do you think Charles Mosley, Boulware, Raulerson, and Austin Sanders would have shored up depth at the Oline this year? Do you think Griffin, Bryant, Payne, Hendrix, Mixon and more could have helped this defense? Butch was unable to develop and utilize players or convince them of a role in the team. When those players left, it created holes in the armor. Injuries exposed the farce.
4. Consider the underused Alvin Kamara. Do you think Butch had any idea how to get this potential NFL offensive rookie of the year involved in the offense more? Kelly was under utilized this year. I'm sure there are players we didn't see who could have helped.
5. As Butch told us, he recruited 5-star hearts. I feel sorry for many that played under Butch because they bought a bogus bill of goods. They got poor coaching, poor development, poor strategy and poor game planning. Players have to believe. It's obvious this team does not believe.
Any decent coach will have success recruiting because UT has so much to offer. But, you have to manage the roster, recruit to the system (or change the system) and develop players.

Butch did all poorly.
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So, we agree. If a good coach comes to UT, recruiting will not be a major factor because UT recruits itself. I good coach could grow into a great coach here if he isn't totally incompetent like the last 2 we had.
 
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Jones was piss poor at every aspect of the job . Shouldn't even be allowed to coach a high school team . What do you expect from a band guy . Did he ever play the game?
 
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njvols said:
Caretaker of Bricks. First thing Currie does is take down the brick wall surrounding everything good about UT football. What's the over/under number of days it takes for Reaganesque "Take Down that Wall!"
DOeWjSEV4AAyxPx
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Holy moly, they better purge everything "Brick by Brick" from the campus and facilities.

I still cringe when back in I think it was 2015 on Signing Day every time they would announce a recruit, Jones would walk with a freakin' brick in his hand over to a display and act like he was building a wall or whatever the hell he was doing.
 
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Roustabout said:
1. Butch is not a great recruiter. UT is a great platform for recruiting. Butch wasn't known for great recruiting until he landed here.
2. Butch was a terrible manager of talent and expectations. He misled players and allowed chaos in his lockeroom.
3. Attrition, attrition, attrition.
Do you think Charles Mosley, Boulware, Raulerson, and Austin Sanders would have shored up depth at the Oline this year? Do you think Griffin, Bryant, Payne, Hendrix, Mixon and more could have helped this defense? Butch was unable to develop and utilize players or convince them of a role in the team. When those players left, it created holes in the armor. Injuries exposed the farce.
4. Consider the underused Alvin Kamara. Do you think Butch had any idea how to get this potential NFL offensive rookie of the year involved in the offense more? Kelly was under utilized this year. I'm sure there are players we didn't see who could have helped.
5. As Butch told us, he recruited 5-star hearts. I feel sorry for many that played under Butch because they bought a bogus bill of goods. They got poor coaching, poor development, poor strategy and poor game planning. Players have to believe. It's obvious this team does not believe.
Any decent coach will have success recruiting because UT has so much to offer. But, you have to manage the roster, recruit to the system (or change the system) and develop players.

Butch did all poorly.
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Kelly is over rated. He's avg. Like 2 ypc. And probably less than 80 yards a game most of the season
 
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