Gray shirt Loophole

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I feel like Butch & staff will be asking several recruits to gray shirt.... If they can get 5-6 guys to gray shirt, and we have room, then we may end up with 36-38 commits....(couple more guys don't get the grades or switch)

I think we can still take around 6-8 more guys, depending on if we can stay under the. 85 total, and if there's more attrition....

Here's my last. 8:

1. Mosely
2. Malone
3. 1 more corner
4. 1 more juco DT
5. 1 more juco OT
6. 1 more juco DE
7. 1 more RB
8. 1 more LB

To pull this off, guys like Dews, lineman who need to redshirt to get stronger, Paulk and hurt players, and others will agree to take the gray shirt....

If Butch can pull off 36-38 players on this high caliber, it will go down undoubtably as the greatest recruiting class in TN history....
 
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tabrams said:
I feel like Butch & staff will be asking several recruits to gray shirt.... If they can get 5-6 guys to gray shirt, and we have room, then we may end up with 35-36 commits....

I think we can still take around 6-8 more guys, maybe 6-8 depending on if we can stay under the. 85 total, and if there's more attrition....

Here's my last. 8:

1. Mosely
2. Malone
3. 1 more corner
4. 1 more juco DT
5. 1 more juco OT
6. 1 more juco DE
7. 1 more RB
8. 1 more LB

To pull this off, guys like Dews, lineman who need to redshirt to get stronger, Paulk and hurt players, and others will agree to take the gray shirt....

If Butch can pull off 36-38 players on this high caliber, it will go down undoubtably as the greatest recruiting class in TN history....
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Not sure I would want to stock up on 5-6 GS recruits. You do know each one would then take away one from next years class right? If we end up being able to take around 20 for the 2015 class, take 6 away from that and it will be a very rough class.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Not sure I would want to stock up on 5-6 GS recruits. You do know each one would then take away one from next years class right? If we end up being able to take around 20 for the 2015 class, take 6 away from that and it will be a very rough class.
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I didn't say that's what I wanted either... I just can't figure out what Butch is trying to do.... They seem to be going way over 30.
 
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You don't find loopholes to grey shirt kids. You find loopholes in the rules to sign more kids to play immediately
 
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tabrams said:
I didn't say that's what I wanted either... I just can't figure out what Butch is trying to do.... They seem to be going way over 30.
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It could play out in alot of different ways. Remember that just because "we lead" for a kid or he is still looking at Tennessee does not mean we will take him. I'm still not sure CBJ will drop long time commitments. Most of if not all of our commitments will not agree to take a GS so that another player can take their spot. I would not be shocked at all to see the class stick as it is with the only changes being Malone(or best available) for Dews as he does not take a GS and then the next best available for Bryant if he does not qualify or acts as though he may stay in state. Some act as that finish would disappoint them. Not me.
 
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I believe we will be able to put 32-33 players on scholarship between January and August 2014. Add in natural recruiting class attrition of 1-2 players, and we can accept 3-5 more commitments without greyshirts.

For the record, I really don't like the idea of greyshirting or telling guys to turn in their bricks.
 
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Brillovol said:
I believe we will be able to put 32-33 players on scholarship between January and August 2014. Add in natural recruiting class attrition of 1-2 players, and we can accept 3-5 more commitments without greyshirts.

For the record, I really don't like the idea of greyshirting or telling guys to turn in their bricks.
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This. I have no idea what exception to the rules will allow Butch to over recruit, but whatever it is, they are keeping it close to the vest until national signing day.

There is only one scenario from my limited understanding of the rules that I can see it working out.

We will actually sign only 30 players on NSD. An additional 10 to 12 players will walk on, and awarded some form of special full ride scholarships. There may be a dire shortage of professional underwater basket weavers who can run a 4 second 40, and bench press 350. Whatever the scenario is, I expect the NCAA to dislike it and write a rule against it by next year.
 
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deaconkane said:
Cbj will over recruit. I understand this "family" he pushes will make it more difficult, but he has done this in the past.
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If he's smart he will. If you own a business and you start out and begin to search for products to make your company better you most likely aren't going to go after the top market products to sell right off the bat while in the same time passing on the very good/good products because most likely big time companies don't want a new/unproven business selling their elite products. Same goes for recruiting. You don't want to pass on very good talent early on in hopes to land a big fish at the end when your product on the field is unproven in the SEC and new. CBJ took on very good players to make sure come February he didn't get caught with his pants down. When elite players like what your are selling you better let them get on board or you might find your business losing to your competitors. UT football is a business. We care about two things, winning games and educating our players on and off the field. When elite players what to be part of your business you sign them on no matter the cost. You want to eradicate the BS QB options that go for 80 yards each play, you sign elite players. So, for those who are against that, in three years you have no right no b**** that we are only 8-4 or 7-5.
 
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keckjm said:
If he's smart he will. If you own a business and you start out and begin to search for products to make your company better you most likely aren't going to go after the top market products to sell right off the bat while in the same time passing on the very good/good products because most likely big time companies don't want a new/unproven business selling their elite products. Same goes for recruiting. You don't want to pass on very good talent early on in hopes to land a big fish at the end when your product on the field is unproven in the SEC and new. CBJ took on very good players to make sure come February he didn't get caught with his pants down. When elite players like what your are selling you better let them get on board or you might find your business losing to your competitors. UT football is a business. We care about two things, winning games and educating our players on and off the field. When elite players what to be part of your business you sign them on no matter the cost. You want to eradicate the BS QB options that go for 80 yards each play, you sign elite players. So, for those who are against that, in three years you have no right no b**** that we are only 8-4 or 7-5.
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I think I follow ... but unsure as of this time...
 
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Rock33 said:
I think I follow ... but unsure as of this time...
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It's not really hard. You sign the best that's available to you at the time, and if something better comes along later on you sign it too even if it means dropping something you started with.
 
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keckjm said:
If he's smart he will. If you own a business and you start out and begin to search for products to make your company better you most likely aren't going to go after the top market products to sell right off the bat while in the same time passing on the very good/good products because most likely big time companies don't want a new/unproven business selling their elite products. Same goes for recruiting. You don't want to pass on very good talent early on in hopes to land a big fish at the end when your product on the field is unproven in the SEC and new. CBJ took on very good players to make sure come February he didn't get caught with his pants down. When elite players like what your are selling you better let them get on board or you might find your business losing to your competitors. UT football is a business. We care about two things, winning games and educating our players on and off the field. When elite players what to be part of your business you sign them on no matter the cost. You want to eradicate the BS QB options that go for 80 yards each play, you sign elite players. So, for those who are against that, in three years you have no right no b**** that we are only 8-4 or 7-5.
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So 1-2 players will make the difference between a NC team and 7-5? Because that's all we're talking about. In order to grow a business, you also have to be concerned about image and perception. Bumping off large numbers of recruits will tarnish that golden image that can help take you to the top.
 
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Brillovol said:
So 1-2 players will make the difference between a NC team and 7-5? Because that's all we're talking about. In order to grow a business, you also have to be concerned about image and perception. Bumping off large numbers of recruits will tarnish that golden image that can help take you to the top.
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Yea we aren't talking about one or two recruits though. We are talking about being in on 7-9 very good players in areas of need. Elite players that can play right away at DT, CB, DE, OT, RB, and WR must be signed at all cost, and almost every big player we are on plays one of those positions.
 
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How is a gray shirt a loop hole? You could gray shirt a hundred guys if you wanted but they don't play until they go on the 85, nor do they have their education paid for.
 
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big harry said:
How is a gray shirt a loop hole? You could gray shirt a hundred guys if you wanted but they don't play until they go on the 85, nor do they have their education paid for.
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The 85 limit only applies to how many players are on scholarship, not on how many players are on the team. Players that "gray" shirt (not an NCAA term) are eligible to play just like the scholarship players.
 
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hillsborovol said:
The 85 limit only applies to how many players are on scholarship, not on how many players are on the team. Players that "gray" shirt (not an NCAA term) are eligible to play just like the scholarship players.
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no they can't. Ever heard the announcer say, "Hes a gray shirt junior."?
 
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i dont see how we can sign all these guys with the seniors leaving are almost doubled by the incoming class... hopefully there are some loop holes
 
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big harry said:
no they can't. Ever heard the announcer say, "Hes a gray shirt junior."?
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How did Brodus come in and kick for the Vols when he wasn't on scholarship?

The NCAA only recognizes two types of players: scholarship and non-scholarship.

Are you saying non-scholarship players can't play? Remember the term "gray shirt" is not recognized by the NCAA, and only refers to those players that pay their own way at first, with the hope of receiving a scholarship in the future. They can play provided they are full time students just like other athletes, but they typically don't play because they weren't good enough to be offered a scholarship initially.
 
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