Grad Transfer rule no more!!!

[VFL-82-JP]

Whatever the reason, it still works out to the school's advantage. By the time the kid is an upper classman, he/she probably lives off campus and is no longer a burden on the housing. I guess my son can (maybe) take courses to complete his masters while waiting for the courses to complete his batchelors. Not sure if that is allowed, though.

Yeah.

I think the business model has shifted since you and I were in college.

Back then, the idea seemed to be, "let the students go as slow as they want, they're paying the base tuition no matter what."

But now, it's like some efficiency model has made it to the forefront. Get the maximum tuition $ per student by cranking up their credit hours as high as you can, jam-pack each classroom to capacity (much like the airline business model these days), rush them through, and get them out so you can replace them with new high-density students.

In other words, the equation changed from "maximize tuition paid per student," to "maximize tuition paid per student PER YEAR."

You mentioned off-campus living to take the strain off dorms, but there's also food service, health services, administrative services, janitorial services, and all the other costs that come with a burgeoning population, even if it is just a day-time population.

So, best bang per buck is high-density course loading up to the reasonable capacity of the campus, and then conveyor belt your way to a new class and keep rolling.

That's probably too cynical by half, but it does seem to match what we know about the universities' policies these days.

 

[SmokinBob]

I think there’s an NCAA rule about players who’ve already taken grad courses at their undergrad school being required to sit a year if they transfer - which could complicate things. This was being discussed in another thread - NCAA may be looking to remove this rule this summer.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Judging from the experience of my non-athlete student, schools seem skilled at offering required courses in a sparse way that can cause an extra year (or more) enrollment.

Engineering is pretty much 9 semesters if you don't go in the summer. Architecture is 10. If you have to repeat a class it could stretch to 12.

 

[dan4vols]

As a fan it bites to see a kid want to leave UT for another school but that’s how it should be. At times it will sting, at times we might benefit. At the end of the day, a young man who’d rather not be wearing the orange and white and wishes he were somewhere else then that’s where he should be and we’re better for it.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Yeah.

I think the business model has shifted since you and I were in college.

Back then, the idea seemed to be, "let the students go as slow as they want, they're paying the base tuition no matter what."

But now, it's like some efficiency model has made it to the forefront. Get the maximum tuition $ per student by cranking up their credit hours as high as you can, jam-pack each classroom to capacity (much like the airline business model these days), rush them through, and get them out so you can replace them with new high-density students.

In other words, the equation changed from "maximize tuition paid per student," to "maximize tuition paid per student PER YEAR."

You mentioned off-campus living to take the strain off dorms, but there's also food service, health services, administrative services, janitorial services, and all the other costs that come with a burgeoning population, even if it is just a day-time population.

So, best bang per buck is high-density course loading up to the reasonable capacity of the campus, and then conveyor belt your way to a new class and keep rolling.

That's probably too cynical by half, but it does seem to match what we know about the universities' policies these days.

Wrong, the curriculum for Engineering takes 9 semesters of normal class time. That's a couple of quarters more than it used to take. The way they raise tuition $$ is to raise tuition.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Wrong, the curriculum for Engineering takes 9 semesters of normal class time.

Heh, 82-83, you come back to this thread about once a week to say this.

And yet, so many Engineering majors graduate in four years without any summer school. At least, I know of three (2 at Vandy, one at Lipscomb) in the last couple of years.

Or did you mean JUST at UT-Knoxville?

 

[TNnative]

I thought most were worried about DKjr transferring to North Carolina. This won't change anything if those speculations were true.

Why worry if he had transferred to NC? Afraid to face him in the Belk Bowl?

 

[mrmax86]

Heh, 82-83, you come back to this thread about once a week to say this.

And yet, so many Engineering majors graduate in four years without any summer school. At least, I know of three (2 at Vandy, one at Lipscomb) in the last couple of years.

Or did you mean JUST at UT-Knoxville?

Maybe it's a system thing. I graduated from UTC in 9, mostly because I had to take a class either my Jr/Sr year that was only offered one semester every 2 years.

Another question is whether they have Co-Op jobs or internships while in school. They generally encourage you to take less hours if you're working and going to school at the same time.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Maybe it's a system thing. I graduated from UTC in 9, mostly because I had to take a class either my Jr/Sr year that was only offered one semester every 2 years.

Another question is whether they have Co-Op jobs or internships while in school. They generally encourage you to take less hours if you're working and going to school at the same time.

Yeah, that could be part of it, for sure.

And some schools encourage EIT-prep courses which, while useful, add more to the time demands.

Nevertheless, my (admittedly anecdotal) experience with recent Engineering graduates shows finishing in four years/eight semesters is still not only possible, but encouraged (at least at Vandy; don't know about Lispcomb on that question).

 

[mrmax86]

In other news...

Does this change anything? Doesn't go live until October 15th?

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[Loweboy]

In other news...

Does this change anything? Doesn't go live until October 15th?

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I read this also. It will not take effect until October, so I am guessing this will not help players until after that. It doesn't explain why October 15th. If it was approved it should have went into effect immediately.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I read this also. It will not take effect until October, so I am guessing this will not help players until after that. It doesn't explain why October 15th. If it was approved it should have went into effect immediately.

I would assume that's the fiscal year?