Goal line offense

[Stacmot]

It seemed to me last year that we struggled running the ball when we were on the goal line or needed short yardage. If the other team new we were gonna try to pound it we couldn’t get the yardage we needed. I’m hoping our o-line has improved in this area this year.

 

[Coddlecreek1]

It seemed to me last year that we struggled running the ball when we were on the goal line or needed short yardage. If the other team new we were gonna try to pound it we couldn’t get the yardage we needed. I’m hoping our o-line has improved in this area this year.

you are correct sir , and hopefully we will see that question answered. Here we go..............

 

[VOLfrombama]

Ive said it before, but I will say it again. Our OL hinges on Cooper Mays taking a huge step forward. By all accounts he has gotten bigger and stronger. He already knew most of the offense. If true, and he steps up this OL will be a good bit better than last years.

 

[tennesseepride84]

OLine played a part in it I agree, but I also believe shot gun should be thrown out the window on third or fourth and 1. OLine can only hold up for so long especially when a front the likes of bama, Georgia and Pitt knows the run is coming

 

[SoddyAllVol]

Ive said it before, but I will say it again. Our OL hinges on Cooper Mays taking a huge step forward. By all accounts he has gotten bigger and stronger. He already knew most of the offense. If true, and he steps up this OL will be a good bit better than last years.

I thought for the most part he was one of our better linemen last season when healthy

 

[guido4198]

I'm kinda "old school" I guess and still believe in the axiom: "Football is a game of inches" ( Thanks Coach Lombardi) In an extreme short yard situation, 4th and 1, or 4th and GOAL....going into a shotgun formation immediately surrenders 5-7 YARDS to the defense when the ball is snapped.
WTF..????!!!!

 

[Brave Volunteer]

OLine played a part in it I agree, but I also believe shot gun should be thrown out the window on third or fourth and 1. OLine can only hold up for so long especially when a front the likes of bama, Georgia and Pitt knows the run is coming

I'm with you and this frustrated me going back to the Butch Jones era. If all you need is a yard, why on earth would you start off with a self-imposed 5 yard deficit by lining up in shotgun? I dont get the logic. You're making it harder on yourself in that situation it would seem. You have a 230lb QB on your roster. Bring him in, line him up under center and fall forward into the damn endzone "Tebow" style!

 

[HalfullVol]

This has been discussed many times previously - if your OL is just physically superior to the DL then just grind them down. The extra depth for the QB in shotgun allows for many more options offensively which keeps the defense honest to some extent.
However, when the DL has an advantage this QB depth can look really bad when the OL whiffs.

 

[Stacmot]

OLine played a part in it I agree, but I also believe shot gun should be thrown out the window on third or fourth and 1. OLine can only hold up for so long especially when a front the likes of bama, Georgia and Pitt knows the run is coming

I totally agree with this

 

[NighthawkVol]

This has been discussed many times previously - if your OL is just physically superior to the DL then just grind them down. The extra depth for the QB in shotgun allows for many more options offensively which keeps the defense honest to some extent.
However, when the DL has an advantage this QB depth can look really bad when the OL whiffs.

Yep. No one complains when Urban Meyer puts the QB in the shotgun on 4th and shirt. Because it works.

 

[Stacmot]

Or possibly maybe see more qb sneaks

 

[TAF]

Been a problem for YEARS...and I've ALWAYS felt it was an O-Line issue...they traditionally (since 2009) play like little girls...

 

[savannahfan]

I'm with you and this frustrated me going back to the Butch Jones era. If all you need is a yard, why on earth would you start off with a self-imposed 5 yard deficit by lining up in shotgun? I dont get the logic. You're making it harder on yourself in that situation it would seem. You have a 230lb QB on your roster. Bring him in, line him up under center and fall forward into the damn endzone "Tebow" style!

Enjoyed your post until the end.... I point out that "t-bow" really did nothing new. Everything he did had been done before he was born. He was lucky enough to have come along when defensives were looking for other than "up the middle" most of the time AND he enjoyed really good line play. As to "his" jump pass - - BS!! it was around long before it was called for him to use. (showed little grace executing this play) and his passing was a success mainly because of his really good receivers. I think his pro carrier (or lack thereof) supports my statements. Bye the way, he ant no announcer/commentator either! There!!,, that's my take on T-bow!!! (Lord! when will we have heard the last from and about him?)

 

[tbones0711]

I'm kinda "old school" I guess and still believe in the axiom: "Football is a game of inches" ( Thanks Coach Lombardi) In an extreme short yard situation, 4th and 1, or 4th and GOAL....going into a shotgun formation immediately surrenders 5-7 YARDS to the defense when the ball is snapped.
WTF..????!!!!

Yep.....right you are. It's a dilemna too because we constantly play the entire field from the shotgun. QB's simply get used to being in that formation and when and if they do get under center several things can go wrong with the exchange because they're not used to it. I used to raise hell over Butch Jones because he did it every damn time. I think cornbread did it too and now so is Heupel it appears. I guess it is what it is but don't make a lick of sense when viewed logically.

 

[LittleVol]

OLine played a part in it I agree, but I also believe shot gun should be thrown out the window on third or fourth and 1. OLine can only hold up for so long especially when a front the likes of bama, Georgia and Pitt knows the run is coming

Exactly.

All the fans knew it too and Heupel would do it anyway.

He needs to get more creative there.
Even Mike Debord was able to eventually create those rub passes to Kamara in the flat as a high percentage play.

I vote to lob it up to Tillman.

 

[Volador]

Goal Line Offense? Which way you headed, into or out of? And hope we have more opportunities going "In".

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Enjoyed your post until the end.... I point out that "t-bow" really did nothing new. Everything he did had been done before he was born. He was lucky enough to have come along when defensives were looking for other than "up the middle" most of the time AND he enjoyed really good line play. As to "his" jump pass - - BS!! it was around long before it was called for him to use. (showed little grace executing this play) and his passing was a success mainly because of his really good receivers. I think his pro carrier (or lack thereof) supports my statements. Bye the way, he ant no announcer/commentator either! There!!,, that's my take on T-bow!!! (Lord! when will we have heard the last from and about him?)

I'm all Vol. But I have a degree of respect for Tebow, and here's why. He knew how to keep his dingle-dangle behind zipped bars. He just won, both at Florida, then with the Broncos--until NFL coaches messed with his passing style. Now, admittedly, he threw funny. But receivers at both levels caught his passes. In college, I threw funny softball pitches that OFTEN struck out batters. Then the coach decided to demand I pitch the right way. See, I pitched underhand but without the big wind-up like others. I sort of started hip-side, flicked the ball forward while twisting my wrist just before release. The ball ended up rotating horizontally, like a top. Batters who did hit it, the ball went straight down to the ground, right in front of them. The refs often insisted it was a ball. That keep going until they simply struck out. But after I was coached to pitch the right way, the ball went into the clouds, over cage tops, into the stands, everywhere but across the plate. And that was that, I was done. Now, like me, Tebow, threw funny, but for him, it worked. I think he was a bit too showoffy about his religious faith, I also think it was real based on what I know about his character. In a time it wasn't popular, and to the chagrin of Gatorland, he publically claimed: The Vols are a sleeping giant, they won't sleep forever. So I don't have any real dislike for the guy.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Yep.....right you are. It's a dilemna too because we constantly play the entire field from the shotgun. QB's simply get used to being in that formation and when and if they do get under center several things can go wrong with the exchange because they're not used to it. I used to raise hell over Butch Jones because he did it every damn time. I think cornbread did it too and now so is Heupel it appears. I guess it is what it is but don't make a lick of sense when viewed logically.

Logically trying to execute something in the heat of the game that hasnt been repped 100s of times in practice is asking for disaster.

Coaches have to choose between repping the under center snap for the handful of times its needed or continue to rep the deep snap and rep plays rhat are designed to get a yard when needed.

Not sure which is better but having perfect snaps all game helps with the timing needed to operate this offense at a high level.

 

[tennrich1]

I'm all Vol. But I have a degree of respect for Tebow, and here's why. He knew how to keep his dingle-dangle behind zipped bars. He just won, both at Florida, then with the Broncos--until NFL coaches messed with his passing style. Now, admittedly, he threw funny. But receivers at both levels caught his passes. In college, I threw funny softball pitches that OFTEN struck out batters. Then the coach decided to demand I pitch the right way. See, I pitched underhand but without the big wind-up like others. I sort started hip-side, flicked the ball forward while twisting my wrist just before release. The ball ended up rotating horizontally, like a top. Batters who did hit it, the ball went straight down to the ground, right in front of them. The refs often insisted it was a ball. That keep going until they simply struck out. But after I was coached to pitch the right way, the ball went into the clouds, over cage tops, into the stands, everywhere but across the plate. And that was that, I was done. Now, like me, Tebow, threw funny, but for him, it worked. I think he was a bit too showoffy about his religious faith, I also think it was real based on what I know about his character. In a time it wasn't popular, and to the chagrin of Gatorland, he publically claimed: The Vols are a sleeping giant, they won't sleep forever. So I don't have any real dislike for the guy.

Tim Tebow…like him or hate him…was and is a winner! Simply can not deny that point (well I guess we could but the results would say otherwise). It’s amazing he won like he did WITH all those limited physical flaws.

 

[AlwaysOrangeNeverBlue]

I'm kinda "old school" I guess and still believe in the axiom: "Football is a game of inches" ( Thanks Coach Lombardi) In an extreme short yard situation, 4th and 1, or 4th and GOAL....going into a shotgun formation immediately surrenders 5-7 YARDS to the defense when the ball is snapped.
WTF..????!!!!

You are aware that in an under-center formation, the QB has to run 3-5 yards back to hand the ball to the RB? Absent a QB sneak, there's no difference in "yards surrendered". Plus, the ball travels faster through the air from a shotgun snap, than it does for a QB to take the handoff from under the center, handle the ball, turn and then take multiple steps directionally. Also, I've never seen a shotgun snap taken by a QB 7 yards deep.

For the record, I prefer under center at the goalline and 4th and 1 situations, but this is faulty logic. Go Vols!

 

[sjt18]

OLine played a part in it I agree, but I also believe shot gun should be thrown out the window on third or fourth and 1. OLine can only hold up for so long especially when a front the likes of bama, Georgia and Pitt knows the run is coming

I grew up in the power I/veer/undercenter era. Lots of people pretend that's the only way to have an effective short yardage game. But in the past power teams ran things like the Notre Dame box/single wing. It was almost exclusively a run formation... and not completely dissimilar from the common shotgun formations now.

You win short yardage the same way it has always been done. Your OL has to get push and create creases. Your scheme has to target weak spots. You can run misdirection or you can hit quick.

 

[sjt18]

I think he was a bit too showoffy about his religious faith, I also think it was real based on what I know about his character.

Not picking on you personally since this is an oft repeated charge but there are a LOT of athletes more "in your face" with their beliefs than Tebow... but they get labeled "courageous" and "examples".

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I grew up in the power I/veer/undercenter era. Lots of people pretend that's the only way to have an effective short yardage game. But in the past power teams ran things like the Notre Dame box/single wing. It was almost exclusively a run formation... and not completely dissimilar from the common shotgun formations now.

You win short yardage the same way it has always been done. Your OL has to get push and create creases. Your scheme has to target weak spots. You can run misdirection or you can hit quick.

Excellent example. The single wing is the definition of power/smashnouth football...and it isnt under center. So technically...Heupel is emulating old UT football.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

We just have to figure out how to clearly reach across the line for a TD and the refs not be like “Nah it’s not a TD”

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

OLine played a part in it I agree, but I also believe shot gun should be thrown out the window on third or fourth and 1. OLine can only hold up for so long especially when a front the likes of bama, Georgia and Pitt knows the run is coming

Tom Brady's old, extremely slow, and very very valuable butt continues to call the old fashioned QB sneak for short yardage. Sure, Brady has a great OL but he's done it against NFL DLs that KNEW it was coming and defenses that perform at a very high level.

Practice, technique and practice, for the power push is the difference. If a 40yo Brady...... worth multi-millons to his team...... lines up under center and calls his own number successfully against the Bills or Rams or anyone, it's a no brainer that his team has spent lots of time making it work.

Tennessee hasn't done that. They should.