Get ready for a loooong tenure... but not for the reason you think

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Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire. Nobody on this team on offense is ready for a fast-paced offense. Heuple will have to cycle out all the offensive players and get "his guys"

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire.

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
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IDK. If we are getting boatraced weekly, have a half full Neyland, and recruiting classes outside of the Top 25, I think they cut bait (as long as there is clarity about the NCAA sanctions) 4-8, 4-8 fired is my prediction. Look what Arkansas did with Chad Morris. I wish the contract we signed protected us a little better. DOn't mind paying 4 million but the buyout is substantial.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire.

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
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You Sunshine Pumpers really need to get a grip.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
IDK. If we are getting boatraced weekly, have a half full Neyland, and recruiting classes outside of the Top 25, I think they cut bait (as long as there is clarity about the NCAA sanctions) 4-8, 4-8 fired is my prediction. Look what Arkansas did with Chad Morris. I wish the contract we signed protected us a little better. DOn't mind paying 4 million but the buyout is substantial.
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I dont think so. Too many excuses readily available now.

Look how long Butch Jones used the "we are young" excuse even after they were all seniors LOL
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire.

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
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I think we are here for a while...and honestly with all the factors at play, I would be fine with that had we not taken the easy way out. I'm not taking anything away from Heupel...I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But I made a post the other day about somebody like Chadwell, and honestly it could have been about several people. My point was that right now we have the time to give to a true rebuild, with a young and exciting up-and-comer. With COVID restrictions, NCAA sanctions, and our recent history of sub-par hires, giving a young, innovative guy 3-5 years unimpeded to build, recruit, and establish his system with no expectations or pressure may have been the smart play. Chadwell or Healey would have been great choices because of their ties to the area, and their offenses. I wanted the big names as much as anyone, but could have gotten behind a true re-tooling for the future. The old guard of coaching is going to die out eventually...some sooner than others, and developing someone to fill their shoes is attractive to me at this time and because of our circumstances.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
IDK. If we are getting boatraced weekly, have a half full Neyland, and recruiting classes outside of the Top 25, I think they cut bait (as long as there is clarity about the NCAA sanctions) 4-8, 4-8 fired is my prediction. Look what Arkansas did with Chad Morris. I wish the contract we signed protected us a little better. DOn't mind paying 4 million but the buyout is substantial.
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Whats his buyout?
 
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Watch the following four games: Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. If a coach cannot compete or win these games after 3 years, they are usually out. Also not losing embarrassing OOC games (Georgia State) will help. This is how the coach would and should be judged.
 
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Watch the following four games: Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. If a coach cannot compete or win these games after 3 years, they are usually out. Also not losing embarrassing OOC games (Georgia State) will help. This is how the coach would and should be judged.
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That was the old way. We are in a new reality now.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire. Nobody on this team on offense is ready for a fast-paced offense. Heuple will have to cycle out all the offensive players and get "his guys"

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
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Good points, every one. But you make two key assumptions, both of which seem likely to be wrong:

First, you assume Josh Heupel is the type who will make and hide behind excuses. He didn't come across that way to me. We can't know for sure, of course, until it plays out. Hopefully we'll never know either way, having done really well.

Second, you assume Danny White is more interested in protecting Josh Heupel than getting the Vols back to challenging for championships. I wouldn't be so sure of that assumption, either. Seems to me, from what we've seen of Mr. White here and in previous jobs, he's all about (a) the players and (b) winning.

So anyway, maybe we'll never know. Maybe none of your suppositions will ever be tested because we're just doing so darn well. That's not the nega-vol way to approach the question, I know, but it's an exciting possibility all Vols fans should be able to rally around.
 
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I think we are here for a while...and honestly with all the factors at play, I would be fine with that had we not taken the easy way out. I'm not taking anything away from Heupel...I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But I made a post the other day about somebody like Chadwell, and honestly it could have been about several people. My point was that right now we have the time to give to a true rebuild, with a young and exciting up-and-comer. With COVID restrictions, NCAA sanctions, and our recent history of sub-par hires, giving a young, innovative guy 3-5 years unimpeded to build, recruit, and establish his system with no expectations or pressure may have been the smart play. Chadwell or Healey would have been great choices because of their ties to the area, and their offenses. I wanted the big names as much as anyone, but could have gotten behind a true re-tooling for the future. The old guard of coaching is going to die out eventually...some sooner than others, and developing someone to fill their shoes is attractive to me at this time and because of our circumstances.
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Yep, the house has been cleaned, now time to build for future. Wether Heupel works out or not time will tell. At least now we can have a administration that gets back to the business of running this thing right so others will want to come here and coach, play , etc.etc... Just finally get our sheet together. Last 15 yrs has been a lesson on how to not run your University. We could right a book on how to run your Athletic department into nowhere land.
Go Vols!! House has been cleaned. New Beginning.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire. Nobody on this team on offense is ready for a fast-paced offense. Heuple will have to cycle out all the offensive players and get "his guys"

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
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Cool story
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire. Nobody on this team on offense is ready for a fast-paced offense. Heuple will have to cycle out all the offensive players and get "his guys"

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
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I think CJH will guide Tennessee through these NCAA difficulties and will be head coach for 6-7 years or longer.
 
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Was San Diego. @Freak wont let me change it now that I'm no longer stationed there lol. Daggone rules round here! ;)
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Covid will still be a factor in 2021. NCAA sanctions could affect the program for perhaps 2-3 years. Many of our best players have jumped ship. The new AD will want to protect "his guy". The level of apathy and lowered expectations is at an all time high. Tennessee now knows they cant just throw money at a coach and get them to this dumpster fire. Nobody on this team on offense is ready for a fast-paced offense. Heuple will have to cycle out all the offensive players and get "his guys"

All these things mean CJH has excuses for years and years. My guess is Huepel will be here for no less than 5 years even if every year is a losing season before they consider replacing him. Probably more like 7 years.
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And that might be the secret to success. The pressure that has been put on the last 5-6 coaches and their staffs has not been reasonable. I believe it led to their failure. What good coaches and players would want to , as you say, get involved in this dumpster fire with unrealistic expectations. Want to cheer for a consistent winner? Become a Bama fan.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
IDK. If we are getting boatraced weekly, have a half full Neyland, and recruiting classes outside of the Top 25, I think they cut bait (as long as there is clarity about the NCAA sanctions) 4-8, 4-8 fired is my prediction. Look what Arkansas did with Chad Morris. I wish the contract we signed protected us a little better. DOn't mind paying 4 million but the buyout is substantial.
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Listen, Pittman turned that program around in one year... Why can that not happen with us?
 
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People already putting dread on the program. The situation we are in has not nothing to do with the current administration, White, or Heupel. This was caused by putting an incompetent AD in charge of the program and letting him hire an incompetent head coach.

The people we have in place have a gung-ho attitude to fix it and we should be thankful they are here. How about putting away the negativity for a year and see if we can get some positive momentum to get this thing back on track? It is becoming very obvious who are UT fans and who are coach worshipers. Get over it, if this guy wins 6-7 games this coming year we need to put on more steam.
 
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