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#151
Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
I get the sentiment but Kirby has 2 Natty rings in 3 championship appearances + 3 SEC championship rings in 7 SEC championship appearances. If that doesn't qualify a coach as elite, then I am not sure what else does. Your argument basically has Saban as the only elite coach in the modern era. Nobody here is saying that Kirby is the GOAT, but he is certainly elite. He has taken a privileged program (instate talent and resources) and taken it to the top of college football. It wasn't a huge climb because Richt left him a turnkey operation, but there is skill and effort required to harness that into winning championships.
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Thank you! This guy is so idiotic it is laughable. There are three coaches that have won back to back NCs in 50 years, Saban, Osborne, and Kirby! All three of them are or were definitely ELITE COACHES!!!
 
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#154
casual-observer said:
I appreciate your passion, but calling my post "idiotic" is a bold move for someone swinging at the same goalpost. Let’s unpack your points and see how "idiotic" my take really is.
  1. Tone Check: Starting with "idiotic" isn’t exactly a winning strategy for constructive debate. If you want to be taken seriously, maybe ease up on the insults and bring some facts instead. Let’s see how my "idiotic" points hold up:
  2. Alabama’s Talent Edge in 2021: You claim Alabama had "as much or more talent" than Georgia in their National Championship clash. True, Alabama edged Georgia by one spot in the 2021 talent composite (No. 1 vs. No. 2). But let’s not gloss over the SEC Championship a few weeks earlier, where Alabama beat the brakes off Georgia 41-24 with that same "one-spot" edge. In the title game, Alabama was without star receivers Jameson Williams and John Metchie III (both top-30 nationally, combining for 281 yards in the SEC game). Injuries matter. Claiming talent alone wins games ignores context.
  3. Kirby vs. Saban: Kirby Smart’s 1-6 record against Nick Saban is telling. His lone win came in that 2021 title game, with Alabama hobbled. Each matchup saw Alabama with a slight talent edge (one spot in composite rankings). If Kirby is so "elite," why did he struggle to close that razor-thin gap?
  4. Mike Bobo’s performance: You call Bobo "very good." Really? His résumé begs to differ. Fired from Colorado State with a 50% win rate. Went 0-3 as interim at South Carolina (losing to unranked Missouri, Georgia, and Kentucky). Booted from Auburn after one year. Even with Georgia’s No. 2 talent composite last year, his offense limped to 51st nationally. Elite? Hardly.
  5. Bobo vs. Halzle: I didn’t bring up Halzle but since you did, let’s compare. Tennessee’s offense ranked 15th and 19th the last two years with talent composites of 17th and 16th. Bobo’s Georgia, mind you with no. 2 talent, ranked 51st. Halzle’s clearly outcoaching Bobo with less to work with.
  6. Georgia’s Recruiting Dominance: You say Georgia is top 5 in recruiting every year. It's worse than that. They’ve averaged No. 2 in talent composite for the past eight years. With that kind of firepower, an "elite" coach like Kirby should have more than two national titles to show for it - one from a hampered Alabama and one from a TCU team that ran out of house money. When was the last time Georgia pounded or, more telling to great coaching, out schemed a more talented team? It's never happened under Kirby.
  7. Squandering Talent: We agree that top-10 recruiting gives coaches a shot at a title with good coaching and some luck. So why, with no. 2 talent, did Kirby’s Georgia lose to No. 9 Notre Dame and No. 20 Ole Miss last year? For an "elite" coach, Kirby’s wasting an awful lot of potential.
So yes - until Kirby (a) beats a team more talented than his, (b) reduces the number of traffic violations and arrests of his current players, (c) gets his locker room under control - I'm not going to act like he is an elite coach. You can, if you want to.
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Your eyesight is spotty because of the turds around your eyes. Come back and talk to us when you can keep your head out of your butt enough to see REALITY. There are 3 coaches that have won back to back NCs in the last 50 years! Kirby is one of those 3!
 
#155
#155
Orangeslide said:
We’ve been the underdog to them for all of the losing streak. Not sure about your logic we play with confidence against them. They’ve pretty much had their way with us. But, I guess 2025 is the best year to end the streak. Go Vols!
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you’re totally right…I should’ve been more specific. this years team feels like it’s under the radar…with less pressure. not just for the UGA game, but overall. i feel like they’re playing loose and free, with some definite clean up work to do here and there, but it just feels like there’s more team unity. the polls have been skeptical, primarily due to our off-season QB changes, which i think gives the players something to prove…i like it when we fly under the radar.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Your eyesight is spotty because of the turds around your eyes. Come back and talk to us when you can keep your head out of your butt enough to see REALITY. There are 3 coaches that have won back to back NCs in the last 50 years! Kirby is one of those 3!
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Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? That's an awful lot of insults coming from someone pulling on the same end of the rope as me. Let me ask you something...

If I give you a Lamborghini, and tell you to race a Honda Accord...or even something nicer like a Corvette...just because you beat the Corvette, does that mean you are an elite race car driver?

Kirby inherited a strong program, and worked through a time when in-state talent and whatever was happening behind the scenes (Sam Pittman and other great recruiters) allowed him to pull multiple top recruiting classes. If you want to say he is elite recruiter, I'll give him that. Elite coach? He's just lucky.

An elite coach will find ways to defeat opponents with a stronger pedigree that yours. Let's see how many times Kirby has done that in his career (#numbers are composite rankings)...

2016: #6 GA lost to #15 Ole Miss
2016: #6 GA lost to #14 Tennessee
2016: #6 GA lost to #41 Vanderbilt
2016: #6 GA lost to #50 Georgia Tech
2016: #6 GA beat #7 Auburn
2017: #3 GA lost to #14 Auburn
2017: #3 GA lost to #2 Alabama
2018: #3 GA lost to #7 LSU
2018: #3 GA lost to #2 Alabama
2018: #3 GA lost to #9 Texas
2019: #3 GA lost to #21 South Carolina
2019: #3 GA lost to #5 LSU (in fairness, everyone got killed by LSU in 2019)
2020: #1 GA lost to #2 Alabama
2020: #1 GA lost to #7 Florida
2021: #2 GA lost to #1 Alabama
2021: #2 GA beat a dilapidated #1 Alabama
2022: #2 Ga beat #7 Oregon (strong win to start the season)
2022: #2 GA beat #8 LSU
2022: #2 GA beat #3 Ohio State (barely)
2022: #2 GA thumped #32 TCU (who ran out of house money)
2023: #2 GA lost to #1 Alabama
2023: #2 GA thumped #20 Florida State (another end of season mismatch)
2024: #2 GA lost to #1 Alabama
2024: #2 GA lost to #9 Ole Miss
2024: #2 GA lost to #20 Notre Dame

According to the numbers, Kirby is really good at beating up teams with lesser talent. In matchups where the opposing team has more talent than Kirby, he is one-and-six. ONE AND SIX! 14% winning rate when the other team has more talent than you. Sure, nobody's going to win them all every time, but only once in your career have you beaten a team with a better talent than you? Doesn't seem to fit the definition of an elite coach to me. Maybe elite recruiting. Clearly an example of being in the right place at the right time. And, in fairness, sustaining the success on the recruiting trail.

As for you and I, I'm done engaging unless you can figure out how to have an adult debate. Name calling, turds in eyes, head out of butt...that's stuff of elementary school playgrounds. Next, you won't be inviting me to your birthday party. Friend, we are rooting for same team (I thought).
 
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#160
djones24 said:
It is already 4 as of this morn
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This is ridiculously fast movement. I've never seen a line fall this fast this quickly. This only happens if very well respected money has come in BIG on Tennessee. And Vegas realized very quickly their original number was wrong.

My guess is this. Vegas did not adjust their power ratings for Georgia and Tennessee much after the first two games but respected betters did. So Vegas now is playing catchup. I think the number is gonna move again. Probably back up to 4.5 as some betters try to play the middle.

Either way this should be a good sign for our Vols. Cause line movement this dramatic doesn't usually happen unless the initial move was right and Tennessee was massively underrated.
 
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