GAME THREAD: @ Ole Miss, Tuesday, 2/17, 7pm EST, ESPNU

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glv98 said:
You better believe Pat Summit coached effort if she thought it was lacking.

Also, she made sure she was recruiting effort.
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This is a quote attributed to CPS, some of you will know better than I if it is authentic:

“I'm not good at coaching effort. I don't know that you can teach that to a player.”
 
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LadyVolsDiehard said:
16-12 would be disappointing. Young team or not, that's Holly Warlick levels of bad.
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Well I agree to a point Holly & Kellie didn't have Texas & Okie in the conference and they are top 4 or 5 teams in the conference IMO. So if we follow suit and lose to Okie that's 2 extra losses with an enhanced already super strong conference top to bottom versus prior SEC years before 2024/25.
 
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LadyVolsDiehard said:
Kim definitely needs an older, savvy asst coach that understands the interopings of coaching at this level. Look at Dawn who she got staffed Lisa Boyer she has been on her staff from the beginning and of course Jolette Law which eventually hurt Tennessee in the long run after Holly's firing. I understood the appeal of having a coaching staff in your age group especially with their generation of kids coming up, but I'm all for balance too.
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"Kim definitely needs an older, savvy asst coach that understands the interopings of coaching at this level."

I fixed it for you.

“The Lady Vols definitely need an older, savvy coach that understands the interworkings of coaching at this level.”
 
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madtownvol said:
No biggie, but factual inaccuracy is a pet peeve. Message boards do leave records:


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Yes, and I posted how this began, you answered my first post on the subject in a snarky condescending way, I answered your post courteously and said my first post was in answer to another, which I proved above. Now, you wrongfully persist in having a last word. Enough. You can do better than this, I think.
 
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Rooster1 said:
This is a quote attributed to CPS, some of you will know better than I if it is authentic:

“I'm not good at coaching effort. I don't know that you can teach that to a player.”
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She said this when Glory Johnson and Shekinna Stricklen were freshmen. I feel confident that if you asked them, they would say that she did teach them to play with effort. I think that quote is was her brilliant way of coaching effort at that time, in that moment. It was a callout, a gut check.

CPS also said the following:
"I’m not going to sit here and watch you give 50 percent. If you’re going to play for me, you’re going to give me 100 percent or you’re going to sit next to me."

"Effort is a choice. You choose to work hard or you choose to be lazy. There is no middle ground."

"There is always someone better than you. But there is never an excuse for someone to work harder than you."

"I don't give heart. I can't give you heart. You have to bring your own heart to the floor."

I take all that to mean that you can't coach effort like you would a jab-step, a floater, or a crossover dribble, but you can coach it by motivating each player to find the pride within themselves to be the type of player that never gives less than 100% effort.
 
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37620VOL said:
She said this when Glory Johnson and Shekinna Stricklen were freshmen. I feel confident that if you asked them, they would say that she did teach them to play with effort. I think that quote is was her brilliant way of coaching effort at that time, in that moment. It was a callout, a gut check.

CPS also said the following:


"Effort is a choice. You choose to work hard or you choose to be lazy. There is no middle ground."
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There is a Yoda quality to that one quote!!
 
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Rooster1 said:
This is a quote attributed to CPS, some of you will know better than I if it is authentic:

“I'm not good at coaching effort. I don't know that you can teach that to a player.”
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37620VOL said:
She said this when Glory Johnson and Shekinna Stricklen were freshmen. I feel confident that if you asked them, they would say that she did teach them to play with effort. I think that quote is was her brilliant way of coaching effort at that time, in that moment. It was a callout, a gut check.

CPS also said the following:
"I’m not going to sit here and watch you give 50 percent. If you’re going to play for me, you’re going to give me 100 percent or you’re going to sit next to me."

"Effort is a choice. You choose to work hard or you choose to be lazy. There is no middle ground."

"There is always someone better than you. But there is never an excuse for someone to work harder than you."

"I don't give heart. I can't give you heart. You have to bring your own heart to the floor."

I take all that to mean that you can't coach effort like you would a jab-step, a floater, or a crossover dribble, but you can coach it by motivating each player to find the pride within themselves to be the type of player that never gives less than 100% effort.
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Great post thanks. It’s the hardest part of coaching, as Kim is finding out, but managing the teams mindset is very important. The best coaches are able to do it.
 
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This has been a bad season overall thus far for Kim Caldwell. Her team stinks only to be outdone by her attitude. She doesn’t lose graciously, which is a terrible look for a coach who is unproven on the big stage. I’m not optimistic about her future in orange.
 
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UTLadyvolsfan said:
You know, some posters keep complaining about being taken out to the woodshed by the refs. Well, this team is overly physical and that's how they have been taught to play. Push, grab, play really physical, and finally the refs are starting to call it. We are more athletic than most teams, and should be able to keep in front of them, but the "in your face" defense we play lends itself to consistent fouling, and that's what we are seeing now. Frankly I'm surprised the refs allowed it as long as they did this season.
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I don’t think they’re physical at all, Ole Miss is physical, we just reach and foul because we can’t defend.
 
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VintageFan said:
"Kim definitely needs an older, savvy asst coach that understands the interopings of coaching at this level."

I fixed it for you.

“The Lady Vols definitely need an older, savvy coach that understands the interworkings of coaching at this level.”
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Don't fix anything for me. I said what I said.
 
#744
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LadyVolsDiehard said:
But the freshmen aren't hurting us. It's these gosh darn older players.
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You are correct, which I believe leads to another set back. A few of the older players are still feeling some type of way about Ruby being dismissed. In their mind she was dismissed for something small that could have been overlooked and therefore they have chosen not to play as hard as they could. I know it may sound crazy, but young people don't always work with the same logic as a mature adult...🤷🏿
 
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POLOinDC said:
You are correct, which I believe leads to another set back. A few of the older players are still feeling some type of way about Ruby being dismissed. In their mind she was dismissed for something small that could have been overlooked and therefore they have chosen not to play as hard as they could. I know it may sound crazy, but young people don't always work with the same logic as a mature adult...🤷🏿
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Just curious,. Do you have any evidence to support this claim or is it idle speculation?
 
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Volfan2012 said:
A big bulky post and couple of shooters would change a lot of things for this team offensively and defensively.
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Like, was there any research done on the conference before she took this job. Because there was no way she didn’t know about the physicality of post play in the SEC. She went got a 4 who think shes Dame Lillard and a model who has beans for hands.
 
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During the press conference, when Kim announced that Ruby was dismissed, didn't she say this decision will not help this team this year, but will definitely help the program down the road or something like that. I think what we are now seeing are her words manifesting itself in real time, but that small quote is what I'm holding onto during these losses. It gives me hope that we are taking our lumps now for doing the right thing and hopefully down the road it will blossom into something awesome like our kick ass softball team...😊
 
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Orange_Mamba said:
Like, was there any research done on the conference before she took this job. Because there was no way she didn’t know about the physicality of post play in the SEC. She went got a 4 who think shes Dame Lillard and a model who has beans for hands.
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That is why we are a somewhat decent team and not a great team. We needed a 40% deadly 3-point shooter and an athletic post rebounder/defender of the rim. We got Nya and Jersey.
 
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