GAME THREAD: Missouri in Knoxville, Thursday, 6:30EST, SECN+

Wow, now Vic is throwing stuff under the bus….his head must have exploded.


Well, he did have that paragraph in which he threw himself under the bus, too. In fact, he repeatedly said that it was his own fault and that he would "wear it."
 
I think this is spot on! Only at TN would a coach being tough on players be so newsworthy. Kim, Dawn, Geno, Vic, etc. etc. etc. have said far worse than Kim said. She was honest. The truth hurts but it's the only thing that really matters when trying to reach the top. It's refreshing to see such an honest coach not giving us the same scripted comments over and over after a game. Yes, Holly was maddening in that regard but she's still a LVFL.
For at least the 300th time, it was never just that she called them out and called them quitters. It was that she firmly refused to take any responsibility on herself nor for providing solutions. It was probably different behind the scenes, but her public detachment was definitely unusual, and ironically made her look like a quitter. She had to publicly state in her walk back presser that she wasn’t quitting on her team.

We’ll get an actual feel for the effectiveness of her tactics on Sunday.
 
I think this is spot on! Only at TN would a coach being tough on players be so newsworthy. Kim, Dawn, Geno, Vic, etc. etc. etc. have said far worse than Kim said. She was honest. The truth hurts but it's the only thing that really matters when trying to reach the top. It's refreshing to see such an honest coach not giving us the same scripted comments over and over after a game. Yes, Holly was maddening in that regard but she's still a LVFL.
I’ll toss' a bone 🦴 here. Honesty serves you well. 🤙🏼
 
This was a tough one for me and probably other Vol fans. Great win and real statement after Kim called the team out publicly it was a great response even if it was against Mizzou. I love Kellie and was a huge supporter of her until the end here at UT which honestly need to happen sadly. It was kind of hard to see us hand her here that bad of a loss being a VFL. I love Kim too but I thought personally the full court pressing up 40 plus in the 3rd was a bit over the top but I'm sure others will strongly disagree. If it was against USC, LSU or hell anyone else I'd say go for it but against Kellie I wasn't a fan of it given the situation. With all that said, great win and lets go beat Texas!!
Kellie is now an SEC opponent. IGBOK.
 
Well, he did have that paragraph in which he threw himself under the bus, too. In fact, he repeatedly said that it was his own fault and that he would "wear it."
He’s just had plenty of time to learn the “appropriate” cliches. I think I’ve mentioned this recently. 😉🤙🏼

Nell Fortner leaned into the difference of accepting responsibility, Vic kinda did, said he did, Kim either wasn’t having it or hasn’t learned that cliche.

I kinda like Kim’s version.
 
He’s just had plenty of time to learn the “appropriate” cliches. I think I’ve mentioned this recently. 😉🤙🏼

Nell Fortner leaned into the difference of accepting responsibility, Vic kinda did, said he did, Kim either wasn’t having it or hasn’t learned that cliche.

I kinda like Kim’s version.

I grok your mouth music, but I also just now reread some of Kim's comments after SC. Aside from the remarks about the "quit" she saw in a lot of her players (which can be compared to Schaefer saying that he'd never coached a team "so soft," that they lacked "heart," etc ), she also made vague references to players not doing things "the right way." What does that even mean? And she said that reporters would have "to ask them why they don't stick together" (comparable to Holly's "I dont know" answers when things went wrong).

Honesty is great but should include self. Coaches at this level are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions in some cases, to recruit, train, and motivate players. Unless there's some internal conflicts among players or undesirable outside influences, the onus is on the coaches to prepare the players mentally and physically to compete. When they don't and there aren't excuses such as injuries, illnesses, family problems, or other things beyond the coaches' control, the coaches should own the bad results even when pointing out the deficiencies. Schaefer was sending a strong message to the team about what they could expect in the near future when he mentioned practices, I think you would agree.

Learning to communicate effectively with the press and the team is part of the coach's public tasks. I'm sure Caldwell and many other coaches don't particularly like having to shill for team sponsors in commercials and ads, either, but it goes with the job. Tough love and "hard coaching" can not only be effective but also even desired by players wanting to become elite. Confident coaches who believe in themselves know how to communicate on the sidelines and in the locker room but know that it's a bad look to seemingly put all the blame on the players. The most successful coaches know how to accept nominal blame as the boss while clearly indicating that they're intending to fix the problem immediately (again, what Schaefer said). It may be a lot of gamesmanship, but that is also what fans expect other than for the ones for whom winning is everything.

Bottom line is that I think it's a shame whenever public verbal floggings are necessary to motivate players who have been blessed with talent that gives them opportunities unavailable to most of their peers: a free education, fame, attention, top-notch resources and facilities, post-graduation connections, and even substantial financial compensation that is legally provided...in some cases, citing a non-All-American athlete at Texas, setting them up financially for life. If all those things plus the hard work they've put in to reach this level plus pride isn't enough to motivate them, that's a sad commentary. I wonder how well that works for them in their personal relationships, in their classrooms, and in any current or future jobs they might hold. My biggest regrets as a former coach was when I neglected players' feelings in favor of demanding more effort. Decades later, I wish I could redo some of the cold shoulder, tough love approaches that may have gotten some results but also reduced the enjoyment of the game. Coaches can be wrong even when they're right. This isn't literal warfare, and the Gunny Hardman approach shouldn't be necessary (I know that's hyperbole here, but you understand the point).

End of wee hours rant. We'll see how her approach works out after the upcoming stretch
 
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We played the best of the best in the last two games and it wasn't good.

After that embarrassment, the bottom line is that lady Vols beat Mizzou, without our point guard by almost 50 points.

We will see how it but I feel much better.
 
We played the best of the best in the last two games and it wasn't good.

After that embarrassment, the bottom line is that lady Vols beat Mizzou, without our point guard by almost 50 points.

We will see how it but I feel much better.
Yes we just whooped a team we could have beaten even if we're playing bad. Now we get to see how they handle a team that's as good or better in every position. This was a good game to heal some deep wounds now it's time to show what you really are and expect to be. There's definitely hope so coaches and players need to build on it .
 
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He’s just had plenty of time to learn the “appropriate” cliches. I think I’ve mentioned this recently. 😉🤙🏼

Nell Fortner leaned into the difference of accepting responsibility, Vic kinda did, said he did, Kim either wasn’t having it or hasn’t learned that cliche.

I kinda like Kim’s version.
Shaefer in postgame presser: “I am responsible. I am absolutely responsible. You're either coaching it or allowing it. And I'm responsible for it. And I am responsible for it. My job's to get it fixed. And we've got two days to get it fixed.”

~3.07

It didn’t sound perfunctory to me.

 
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Huge bounce back by the girls. Several players with double digit points and/or rebounds in only 20 approximate minutes of playing time. What's up with Spearman? Happy to see Prawl on post-game, mature, composed and articulate for a freshman. Starting to like this freshman class a lot. Mizzou was a weak opponent and some better teams coming up. Don't expect to win them all but won't complain as long as the girls play with focus, energy and intensity. Wish Kellie the best. Way off on my score prediction! Go Lady Vols. Pardon my stream -of- consciousness post.
 
Huge bounce back by the girls. Several players with double digit points and/or rebounds in only 20 approximate minutes of playing time. What's up with Spearman? Happy to see Prawl on post-game, mature, composed and articulate for a freshman. Starting to like this freshman class a lot. Mizzou was a weak opponent and some better teams coming up. Don't expect to win them all but won't complain as long as the girls play with focus, energy and intensity. Wish Kellie the best. Way off on my score prediction! Go Lady Vols. Pardon my stream -of- consciousness post.
Zee can't get past the problem she's had since the beginning of the season. She better show up Sunday or it could be another ugly lose . They will try to pound the ball down in the paint. Look for her to pick up couple quick fouls .
 
Zee can't get past the problem she's had since the beginning of the season. She better show up Sunday or it could be another ugly lose . They will try to pound the ball down in the paint. Look for her to pick up couple quick fouls .
Zee is soft as toilet paper down low along with her being scared. When she excels in the paint are back down cuts or in the UGA game when Woolfolk got into late foul trouble and that's when Zee took advantage. Barker and Latham literally showed her how it was done last night, granted against a weaker opponent with no bigs, but look how tough and high energy they both were! I have all but given up Zee will add traditional post moves to her game which make her undrafted in the W or she will get a call in training camp. She's not gonna do right.
 
Shaefer in postgame presser: “I am responsible. I am absolutely responsible. You're either coaching it or allowing it. And I'm responsible for it. And I am responsible for it. My job's to get it fixed. And we've got two days to get it fixed.”

~3.07

It didn’t sound perfunctory to me.


👀 I don't like Vic, but I really respect that answer.
 
We played the best of the best in the last two games and it wasn't good.

After that embarrassment, the bottom line is that lady Vols beat Mizzou, without our point guard by almost 50 points.

We will see how it but I feel much better.

As Kellie said, we did what we were supposed to do and did it well. We hit open shots, moved the ball well, took advantage of our size and speed advantage. So kudos to us.

I do think we ought to say that we were without our STARTING point guard. We have other point guards available including her twin. Mia would likely have added to the winning margin even with an average game, but Mya was a consensus Top 60 player and Top 15 point guard in her class. Mizzou didn't have any true point guards available.

Now, if Mia isn't available for Texas ...and I am sure that she will be...that would have a distinct impact due to missing her point production and starting experience. Her absence against Missouri was barely noticed, if at all.
 
Shaefer in postgame presser: “I am responsible. I am absolutely responsible. You're either coaching it or allowing it. And I'm responsible for it. And I am responsible for it. My job's to get it fixed. And we've got two days to get it fixed.”

~3.07

It didn’t sound perfunctory to me.


He also apparently said he would call the Texas AD and apologize because of how embarrasing the loss was. Very different levels of accountability, though little reason to belabor the point. Hopefully lessons were learned by the lady vols players and coaches so sunday is handled more professionally both on and off court.
 

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