GAME THREAD: Miss St @ #15 Tennessee, Knoxville, Thursday, 1/29, 6:30 pm EST, SECN+

Im being realistic here for the current team. They could go 5-5, picking off someone like OK. That would be huge.
I'm trying to find five wins if we can't beat Miss St at home where they coming from. I guess we could have a game or two where we spring a surprise. Georgia 50/50 game they are at home we start throwing up those bricks they will win. A&M and Missouri have to be wins. At Oklahoma 30/70 they will be a solid favorite. Texas at home we'll be the underdog, South Carolina big underdog, Ole Miss 40/60 underdog, Vandy at home they are really tough to guard I call it 50/50. LSU big underdog. So really tough.

A&M and Missouri definitely should win, Georgia and Vandy hope to win, Oklahoma and Ole MIss next best chances, Texas, LSU, SC really tough to win.
 
I thought the first red flag was planted when she announced her pregnancy only a few months into taking the job. Not great timing to take over a storied program and start your family.

Aieee!!
Vrooom!
Thump-Thump!
Throw Mommy under the bus.

Nice. "Women who want high profile careers shouldn't have children." Oh, wow!

Is that what I said or do you have extremely poor reading comprehension skills?

How should I take it? She accepted the job on April 7. She had Connor on Jan. 20 -- just over nine months later. She has talked about how upset she was to have to go tell Danny White she was pregnant when she learned about it. Let's just say that if a senior partner in a law firm criticized an associate for taking on a high profile case under similar circumstances, it would be grounds for a sex discrimination suit.
 
First, I do share your value in wanting to keep the discourse on this board civil and not making disparaging or demeaning comments about players or coaches.
Yea! And I loved the tone of your post! Great writing!

Character assassination is the deliberate, sustained effort to destroy an individual's reputation, credibility, and public image through slander, rumors, and manipulation of facts.
Mmm... yeah. Although I would suggest a sufficiently pointed, public, and powerful instance might be enough, but that's probably not worth discussion. That said, and not referring to you or any particular poster without giving details, I see examples of folks on this board hammering away at public figures (and each other, sometimes) based on their imaginations of what's in someone else's mind, even when contrary facts are readily obvious. It's part of what make social media so toxic. But, fair enough, "character assassination" might have had too much bite in that context.

Let's consider your decree a bit more closely - only comment on what we can directly observe with no inferences about what people are thinking or feeling
Umm... No, that's not what I said and certainly not what I meant, though I totally get why it can feel that way.

To toe your "line," we can no longer write something like "Coach X was really angry at player Y for not getting back on defense." Nope, by your decree, we can only state "Coach X said a series of words at a loud volume and shook his arm with his fist closed fist. Soon after, player Y sat down on the bench and proceded to throw a towel on the ground."
Would be just fine to say what was observed, then the conclusion. We do actually have to think about what is in other minds -- Is he trustworthy? Is she lying? Is he angry with me? Does she love me? Was I too harsh on my kid? -- But the more we can force ourselves to consider what we can actually see and hear -- actions and words -- and the more we can take an openminded approach to generating ideas about what thoughts and emotions in the other person's head might have generated those actions and words, the better. So, in your example, anger is a reasonable interpretation, although what the coach was angry about is in question, and the player's behavior could be consistent with either anger at himself or the coach, or even disgust, at himself or the coach. In fact, the coach's behavior could be disgust, and in a relationship setting like a team, disgust is by far the more toxic emotion.

I assume you will be monitoring all future posts on this board and censuring all those that are not sufficiently "objective."
Nah. I'll definitely try to monitor mine as learning to think this way was too hard-earned a skill and far too valuable not to keep it up. But as for the flow of posts on this board... I've kind of done this before, and I'll probably do it again. And, as far as the value and enjoyment we can all get from this forum -- yeah, I think a little more thoughtfulness along these lines would not go amiss. As would more of the fun spirit you showed in your response. Thanks!
 
Ouch!! Getting tag teamed by you and Retrovol!! WHAM!BAM!BODYSLAM!

No Más !!!!

I should have chosen my words better-- The more appopriate statement is that CKC is "ego-invested" in her system.

Wait! y'all say, How dare I even think that !!!! That is still character assassination!!!

Let's chill a bit. From Day 1, CKC has been on a mission to prove that her system will work at this level. Just ask John Adams (if he ever recovers from CKC's death stare).

When things have gone bad and the pundits and fans question the mass subbing etc., she has doubled down on the system.

Her commitment to the system is really apparent.

You can compare to Dawn, Geno, Vic, Kym Mulkey and other recognized "elite" coaches where no one talks about their "system'. It is about their general skill as coaches and they find ways to get the most out of their players and so on.

I am confident that CKC will get to this rarefied level over time but right now "the system," for better or worse, is integral to her coaching identity. Oh, hear that? Those are the siren's from Retrovol's thought police unit. I don't have much time before I am taken away for "correct thought" programming.

But, my saying that CKC is ego-invested in her system does not mean I am implying that she is a "****** person." That is a big freakin' leap.
Interesting thoughts and certainly not accusatory or "mean".

It's these types of thought-provoking posts that make this forum entertaining to read (vs. the constant spam of one-liner zingers/emoji posts).

The forum is about expression of individual thoughts and opinions. Appreciate when you express yours.
 
I think that is where we are after that unacceptable loss to Miss St. It will keep the NCAA streak alive and this will go down more than likely as another season where we did not move the needle upwards to where we hoped to be. Year three has to move it or we will again be in the start of a reset again.
Yes but if people are saying a 4-6 finish is some accomplishment, they need to start reevaluating what they think a “So Much Talented Roster” actually is. So people are finally admitting this roster isn’t that good, it’s a middle of the pack roster and if that’s what people want, then ok.
 
Yes but if people are saying a 4-6 finish is some accomplishment, they need to start reevaluating what they think a “So Much Talented Roster” actually is. So people are finally admitting this roster isn’t that good, it’s a middle of the pack roster and if that’s what people want, then ok.
I think unless something amazing happens this season will be average to below average. A 4 and 6 finish is not anything to brag about will not have moved us anywhere from where Harper got us. We've got a lot of talented athletes, but beyond 2 or 3 of them their basketballs skills are not visible.
 
Yes but if people are saying a 4-6 finish is some accomplishment, they need to start reevaluating what they think a “So Much Talented Roster” actually is. So people are finally admitting this roster isn’t that good, it’s a middle of the pack roster and if that’s what people want, then ok.
You know most on here don't think we have enough talent. Reason being just about everyone we play someone says hope so and so goes in the portal we could use her. We need a tough rebounder and finisher at the rim along with couple sharp shooters.
 
I think unless something amazing happens this season will be average to below average. A 4 and 6 finish is not anything to brag about will not have moved us anywhere from where Harper got us. We've got a lot of talented athletes, but beyond 2 or 3 of them their basketballs skills are not visible.
I think we have athletes but we don’t have much basketball talent. I’m talking about Championship talent.
 
You know most on here don't think we have enough talent. Reason being just about everyone we play someone says hope so and so goes in the portal we could use her. We need a tough rebounder and finisher at the rim along with couple sharp shooters.
Everyone disagreed with me in the offseason, when I said this was a flawed roster, yes some seem to agree now but that’s after the results.
 
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I think we have athletes but we don’t have much basketball talent. I’m talking about Championship talent.
Championship teams shoot close to 50 percent from the field and can make free throws and rebound. We don't have any of that so yes talent is operating way below SEC Championship or National championship level.
 
Everyone disagreed with me in the offseason, when I said this was a flawed roster, yes some seem to agree now but that’s after the results.
I do think were at a place that if we could add the right three players we could get to championship level. We have a lot of good roster players most are really good defenders when the coaching staff plays the right defense. Most need a lot of work on offense.
 
You know most on here don't think we have enough talent. Reason being just about everyone we play someone says hope so and so goes in the portal we could use her. We need a tough rebounder and finisher at the rim along with couple sharp shooters.
Coaching staff missing the mark in recruiting. Assembling a team that is skill, mentally tough, players that complement each other… avoiding crazy parents as well
 
Everyone disagreed with me in the offseason, when I said this was a flawed roster, yes some seem to agree now but that’s after the results.
I know I didn't think we got a center or post that was really lacking on this team. We can't handle teams with physical players down low unless we're just shooting above our best.
 
I know I didn't think we got a center or post that was really lacking on this team. We can't handle teams with physical players down low unless we're just shooting above our best.
If we don’t build a better roster in the offseason, I’ll be the first one to say it again. We need a lot, I’m not sure if we’ll get it.
 
I know I didn't think we got a center or post that was really lacking on this team. We can't handle teams with physical players down low unless we're just shooting above our best.
I thought last year that Kim's approach -- which doesn't really fit one of the very few true big centers in college basketball -- would have trouble dealing with them. Thought the only hope was to up the pace and make them run up and down the court without rest until they were drained past the chance to recover in that game. Or, do that and slash inside and put fouls on them. But, so far this year, I haven't really seen us getting dominated inside like we did last year. Instead, our half-court defense has looked MUCH better to me, especially as the season has gone on, and even in games like UCLA and Louisville and that ugliness that was the Miss St game, the half-court defense hasn't been the problem. We haven't even given up as many of the break-away layups as we did last year, at least that's the way my brain is remembering things.

But, then again, I want Kim's system, or some variation of it to work, so that may be affecting my memory. Right now, though, I wouldn't worry about a lineup like the one we've got today, one you might say lacks a "true" big, if we could just shoot. A college coach I once knew (football, not basketball, but still) had two sayings (which he was making about youth baseball, at the time!) -- "If they don't score, we can't lose." and "Never lost a game where we scored more points than the other team." Rick Barnes teams have always leaned a little too much toward the former, but I hadn't expected to be wondering if a Kim Caldwell-coached team might not be going in the same direction.
 
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I thought last year that Kim's approach -- which doesn't really fit one of the very few true big centers in college basketball -- would have trouble dealing with them. Thought the only hope was to up the pace and make them run up and down the court without rest until they were drained past the chance to recover in that game. Or, do that and slash inside and put fouls on them. But, so far this year, I haven't really seen us getting dominated inside like we did last year. Instead, our half-court defense has looked MUCH better to me, especially as the season has gone on, and even in games like UCLA and Louisville and that ugliness that was the Miss St game, the half-court defense hasn't been the problem. We haven't even given up as many of the break-away layups as we did last year, at least that's the way my brain is remembering things.

But, then again, I want Kim's system, or some variation of it to work, so that may be affecting my memory. Right now, though, I wouldn't worry about a lineup like the one we've got today, one you might say lacks a "true" big, if we could just shoot. A college coach I once knew (football, not basketball, but still) had two sayings (which he was making about youth baseball, at the time! -- "If they don't score, we can't lose." and "Never lost a game where we scored more points than the other team." Rick Barnes teams have always leaned a little too much toward the former, but II hadn't expected to be wondering if a Kim Caldwell-coached team might not be going in the same direction.
On televised games I don't think you can run a team down. Too many stoppages TV timeouts and replays along with the coaches timeouts.
 
On televised games I don't think you can run a team down. Too many stoppages TV timeouts and replays along with the coaches timeouts.
Yup. I've raised that same question. There are a lot of questions I'd like to see Kim answer after the season about what she is learning, the differences in players from D2, recruiting, NIL (she has said she doesn't want to think about it because she doesn't want to look at a player and think, "You aren't earning your money), how she is adapting her system, and much more. Some she probably should duck, but I'd love to actually get her thoughts.
 
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I'm trying to find five wins if we can't beat Miss St at home where they coming from. I guess we could have a game or two where we spring a surprise. Georgia 50/50 game they are at home we start throwing up those bricks they will win. A&M and Missouri have to be wins. At Oklahoma 30/70 they will be a solid favorite. Texas at home we'll be the underdog, South Carolina big underdog, Ole Miss 40/60 underdog, Vandy at home they are really tough to guard I call it 50/50. LSU big underdog. So really tough.

A&M and Missouri definitely should win, Georgia and Vandy hope to win, Oklahoma and Ole MIss next best chances, Texas, LSU, SC really tough to win.
For me, if we get the OU & Vandy games, those would be huge signature wins. Ole Miss would be right there in the mix. The LSU, SC and TX games I don't have much hope in getting unless we come in those games with the right mindset and not be overwhelmed by their elite basketball talent but if we can make it close we can give ourselves a shot.
 
Yup. I've raised that same question. There are a lot of questions is like to see Kim answer after the season about what she is learning, the differences in players for D2, recruiting, NIL (she has said she doesn't want to think about it because she doesn't want to look at a player and think, "You aren't earning your money), how she is adapting her system, and much more. Some she probably should duck, but if love to actually get her thoughts.
Coaches can only go so far with what they can divulge. Ever other coach will use what they can against you during recruiting. She will have a lot to reflect on at the end of the season and probably so right now. I hope she can see what has to be changed. Strong post player really good 3 point shooters along with system tweaking.
 
I'm trying to find five wins if we can't beat Miss St at home where they coming from. I guess we could have a game or two where we spring a surprise. Georgia 50/50 game they are at home we start throwing up those bricks they will win. A&M and Missouri have to be wins. At Oklahoma 30/70 they will be a solid favorite. Texas at home we'll be the underdog, South Carolina big underdog, Ole Miss 40/60 underdog, Vandy at home they are really tough to guard I call it 50/50. LSU big underdog. So really tough.

A&M and Missouri definitely should win, Georgia and Vandy hope to win, Oklahoma and Ole MIss next best chances, Texas, LSU, SC really tough to win.
I see at least six more SEC wins--A&M, Mizzou, GA, Vandy, Ole Miss, and OK. And hopefully, we can get one more win against TX, LSU, or SC. GBO.
 

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