Game Thread: Lady Vols Vs Mizzou. ; Sun Feb 2nd ; Away game; 3 PM Eastern; SECN+

1. Transcribe verbatim the actual quotes. 2. Type verbatim what you wrongly claimed was “exactly” what they said. Everyone can see for themselves. You’ll have to do this three (different) times since you’ve now put forward three different embellished and altered misquotations, each of which you impossibly claim are accurate.

Underline the things in your alleged “quotes” that were not said in the interview. If you don’t understand this, I sure hope you aren’t a UT grad.

And don’t say I am nitpicking or whatever until you post the the differences because that’s where your manipulation and misquotation are identified.
I thought we went for layups missed like 8 in the first seven minutes of the game.
 
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They may be a year away from being able to run exactly the offense they want to run. Meanwhile they seem in kind of a limbo btw the more attempts/more possesions theory and working for better shots. We just need some better shooters.
I saw a lot of good shots that were just totally missed. If it hadn't been for Cooper early we lose that game.
 
Do you detest players shooting free throws with no crowds or daily shots with no defenders?
are free throws guarded?
Is there a change in mechanics needed for in game?

Does shooting shots of any kind resort in muscle memory?

use your brain
 
are free throws guarded?
Is there a change in mechanics needed for in game?

Does shooting shots of any kind resort in muscle memory?

use your brain
Revisit the scenario, if we are discussing “use your brain”. I stated no crowd, not guarded ..which means no noise, no distractions, no sucking wind, no shooting with a throbbing pain as you were just hacked, no coach calling a timeout, no score board to look at with a score of being down or up to add pressure to the situation.
 
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Revisit the scenario, if we are discussing “use your brain”. I stated no crowd, not guarded ..which means no noise, no distractions, no sucking wind, no shooting with a throbbing pain as you were just hacked, no coach calling a timeout, no score board to look at with a score of being down or up to add pressure to the situation.
Seems like just the muscle memory from practicing the mechanics over and over would help, even in the high pressure situation.
 
Right. That's why we need better shooters.

As always, looking for that rare unicorn who is both super athletic and a good decision making polished offensive player.
Yes sadly it is becoming obvious that some of these players are very inconsistent or just bad shooters. Have definitely lowered the expectations for this season looking to make the top 8 in the league to avoid that extra game in the SEC Tourney. I am still looking for a four seed, but that could vanish this week if we can't win one of the two games coming up against UConn and LSU. I think we have to win one of them and run the table on the rest. Remain optimistic, but it looks like a difficult task for this non shooting team.

I think along with the five freshmen we look for at least three top players in the portal. I can see one or two eligible players leaving at seasons end.
 
Seems like just the muscle memory from practicing the mechanics over and over would help, even in the high pressure situation.
Has been high pressure for the opponents as well and Missouri shot 46 percent. LSU was around 50 percent so was Oklahoma. We don't have to shoot a lot better. We play a good floor game almost everytime out. We get the most shots on goal almost every game we play. 35 percent won't get it done.
 
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Yes sadly it is becoming obvious that some of these players are very inconsistent or just bad shooters. Have definitely lowered the expectations for this season looking to make the top 8 in the league to avoid that extra game in the SEC Tourney. I am still looking for a four seed, but that could vanish this week if we can't win one of the two games coming up against UConn and LSU. I think we have to win one of them and run the table on the rest. Remain optimistic, but it looks like a difficult task for this non shooting team.

I think along with the five freshmen we look for at least three top players in the portal. I can see one or two eligible players leaving at seasons end.
Also I think both Coop and Ruby def have potential to develop into a unicorn, or near unicorn.

They're all solid players for sure and can have nice roles. But someone has to step up as a shooter.

The good news is the good end of streaky shooting is way overdue for this team. Thursday night would be a good time.
 
Has been high pressure for the opponets as well and Missouri shot 46 percent. LSU was around 50 percent so was Oklahoma. We don't have to shoot a lot better. We play a good floor game almost everytime out. We get the most shots on goal almost every game we play. 35 percent won't get it done.
That was in reference to whether shooting fts in practice without crowd noise, etc. is helpful.

But fg shooting mechanics 101 wouldn't hurt either.
 
Therioes on why we may be shooting so badly. To much thinking as the staff giving out to much information like shoot the first good shot and also work to get the best shot you can't do both. To much practice is creating tired legs for games. We practice harder than we play it is tougher than playing a game sometimes I think were going at it a little to hard. To much hesitation on unguarded shots I saw a few shots unguarded we turned down yesterday and proceeded to shoot a contested one. To much free lancing we may need to run some plays for certain players to get an open look.
 
I detest layup lines,,,practicing halfspeed layups then trying to make them at breakneck speeds is like practicing for the Indy 500 on a highway

Do you detest players shooting free throws with no crowds or daily shots with no defenders?

are free throws guarded?
Is there a change in mechanics needed for in game?

Does shooting shots of any kind resort in muscle memory?

use your brain

Revisit the scenario, if we are discussing “use your brain”. I stated no crowd, not guarded ..which means no noise, no distractions, no sucking wind, no shooting with a throbbing pain as you were just hacked, no coach calling a timeout, no score board to look at with a score of being down or up to add pressure to the situation.
I'm talking about layups attempted while either guarded or in breakneck speeds,,,you're talking about free throws and open looks with no physical oppositions or obstructions other than "I'm tired" or "my foot hurts"

Big diff
Seems like just the muscle memory from practicing the mechanics over and over would help, even in the high pressure situation.
when I said
Does shooting shots of any kind resort in muscle memory?
I was asking him if he thought about what he said,,,NOT that it doesn't!

when a player make the decision to shoot,,,milliseconds before the shot goes into that particular shooter's mechanics, the brain takes its picture and makes its calculations,,,from that point on it is purely that shooters mechanics and muscle memory that propells and controls the shot (if not obstructed by a shot blocker).

as Michael showed Dikembe one time:

Notice his eyes are open until he locks on to the target and then closes when he goes into shot-mechanics
 

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Its ok to practice mechanics and technique at half-speed, but you must practice proficiency at game speed.

I have drills for attacks from the arc, half-court, full-court and receiving a full-court pass-feed,,,all at full speed.

I believe 10 at gamespeed is better than 50 at halfspeed
remember this post?
 
I think Puckett could be a really good defensive on a big post player. Not fast enough for the perimeter, but strong enough to guard the post. Here major contribution is probably her leadership, if you notice she is always point to teammates getting them in the correct place. Great young lady, talked to her several minutes at one of their earlier fall practices. Tess has made some nice contributions, I think the conditioning has helped her, she also has trouble guarding a quick perimeter player but is giving her all for Tennessee. I'm glad they both stayed.
I was not intentionally criticizing their effort or character. They appear to be physically unable to be the contributors they want to be in the current style of play IMO.

I’ve watched about every LV televised game since early 70s and attended several. I am aware of the contributions of both these young ladies. This is a different pace and different defensive scheme where quickness is the most required attribute besides smarts IMO
 
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With as many shots as we miss that we shouldn't, both close-range and from distance, it has become glaringly obvious to me that it's not that we have bad shooters, but that we have bad, or not enough, shooting drills. And if the staff is relying mostly on the players getting into the gym to shoot shots on their own while spending little time on it under the watchful eyes of staff, then they need to switch up practice priorities and spend more time with staff on shooting.

I totally get it if the staff feels like precious practice time is spent on things players can't do on their own, but if for whatever reasons they're not consistently putting up shots on their own time, or maybe getting in the gym on their own but not bearing down and practicing shooting with disciplined mechanics and purpose, then it is up to the staff to get it done under their supervision.

Nearly every single game we're in here talking about all those missed layups. It's a problem endemic to how they are practicing, because as far as my mind can see, there's not a darn thing wrong with anyone's shooting mechanics. The staff is going to have to make shooting a practice priority. If they don't know how to run the pressure defense by now they're never going to know it, anyway.

If I were Kim I'd press reset today and have the team do almost nothing this week but shoot. Then I'd have them meditating on shooting. I'd have them listening to songs about shooting. 😅 And then I'd assign player-led shooting groups have them create an off-hours schedule of times they'll be available to do shooting drills and then EVERYONE would be required to attend one every day.
 
I watched some of the replay, the defensive pressure the team played with was top notch.
Talaysia Cooper is as smooth and calm of a player you’ll see on the court. It’s sort of a Klay Thompson, Kyrie Irving, or Dame Lillard kind of persona. You don’t see those players smiling and all excited so people think they’re grumpy or upset.
That’s called an” about business” swagger. And Coop, can definitely back it up with her play on the court.
As I stated, even keeled on and off the court.
You don’t see her getting too high or too low.
This team hasn’t come close to reaching their ceiling and is still 16-5 with quality wins over Iowa and Florida State.
South Carolina, Tennessee, and LSU in that order are the best teams in the SEC.
With the players projected to return and the incoming #1/#2 recruiting class headed to Rocky Top Tennessee it’s scary hours.
GBO!
 
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Coop actually doesn't hold her emotions much at all so far. Emotional and shows it, probably not going to change just needs to learn how to positively channel it. Or show it less. I'm sure the staff is aware and working on it. I noticed when she fouled out late in the game she tried to join the huddle and CKC sent her pointedly - with the finger point and everything - to the bench.

I'm a broken record repeating how effectively young Coop is. After two years of watching, she's really a freshman carrying the whole offensive load for a new team, new system, new coach. It's alot. Hopefully she's coming along in that aspect of her game.

Speaking of on court behavior, we've given Zee a pass I'm not sure she deserves. If Mizzu wasn't so throrughly awful at crucial fts, Zee's tech, her second for doing the exact same thing, could have easily cost us this game. Again, no doubt it will be addressed fm within. Can't keep happening.
That tech by Zee (the ESPN coverage never showed what she did) in conjunction with a shooting foul could have been a killer. Fortunately, Mizzou clanked 3 of 4. But yes that error can't keep happening.
 
That tech by Zee (the ESPN coverage never showed what she did) in conjunction with a shooting foul could have been a killer. Fortunately, Mizzou clanked 3 of 4. But yes that error can't keep happening.
Pretty sure I heard them say it was for slamming the ball down and that it was same thing she got the one for last game.
 
1. Historically, games as Mizzou have always been ugly slugfests. I think to many fell into the trap of believing Mizzou's players are "not athletic" so they won't be able to keep up with our "athletes." So much for that stereotype. Mizzou always plays super physical and they gave TX a pretty good game at Austin.

They are finding their gear and a road win on their home court should not be treated as a "moral loss."

2. Shooting has been up and down all season for this team. They are capable of lighting it up so its not like the team lacks "shooters." Some other factor seems to effecting things. I would love to see a correlation between the team's practice intensity and shooting in the following game.

I would imagine that having some open time in the game schedule led to some hyperintense practices, where players might get more fatigued than in games, since you aren't platoon subbing in practice sessions.

3. On Coop, hmm, so the player who almost singlehandedly kept the LVs in the game and made clutch play after clutch play is the team's problem because of uh, body language? Kind of what people also said about Rickea Jackson. Yeah, she put up 30 and 10 but her "body language is not what I think it should be"!!!!

Some players just aren't rah, rah types. When some players focus, they may seem withdrawn. As per "athletic players" let some of these visual stereotypes go. Against Mizzou, Coop did look frustrated at some of the foul calls she picked up since the refs were letting Mizzou play rugby. I can't blame her

Look at the plays she makes, not her facial expression. That will be a better guide to judging her performance.

4. For me, the warning sign from this game is how badly the LVs handled Mizzou's press. When given a dose of their own medicine, they almost choked the game away.
A lot of work needs to be on that deficiency and quickly because every opponent will see this film.

On the flipside, the LVs generated a bunch 10 second violations and other TOs but again they got caught several times giving up uncontested layups when Mizzou did break our press.

The net gain, though, should have been way in the LVs favor but at one point, they only generated 2 pts off of 10 TOs.

5. But, the LVs were way more clutch at the FT down the stretch than Mizzou so three cheers for locking in when it mattered most.

6. Did y'all see CKC post game interview? The announcers literally gave up after about 2 minutes of CKC's one sentence answers to all their questions.

In Webster's dictionary, next to the word taciturn, they will just have CKC's picture.
 
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At times the team can score effortlessly, lights out, scary good, and then it's lights off for eerily long periods of time. Hurts my heart.

23 more shots in the game. If the shooting just improved a little, it would ultimately mean a lot.

A win is good. Go Lady Vols.

PS Iowa knocked off USC, makes that win somewhat nicer. :)
 
It looks to me like players are tending to get the ball to Cooper and stand and watch her operate. She's clearly our most capable scorer and should be the focus of our offense, but not at the expense of the others being uninvolved. We do have other weapons, but they need to stay engaged.
 
4. For me, the warning sign from this game is how badly the LVs Mizzou's handled pressure, When given a dose of their own medicine, they almost choked the game away.
A lot of work needs to be on that deficiency and quickly because every opponent will see this film.
Connecticut will probably press for 40 minutes. And they ALWAYS have one player who miraculously comes out of nowhere to have the shooting performance of her career.
 

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