Game thread: #15/13 Lady Vols at Florida. Sunday, Feb. 23, 1pm ET, SECN

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Nobody was calling Coop low IQ when she made the perfect pass to Zee for the bucket that locked up the UCONN win.

Perfect, no, dribbles too high in traffic (not unlike another stellar player we were once lucky to have), sure. Am I thrilled that Coop is a Lady Vol? You bet!!
 
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madtownvol said:
And this why we can't have nice things. Coop was a bit player as a freshman at SC. Now in her 2nd season, she has become the LVs go to player. She is key to their entire defensive scheme and the heart of their offensive attack. We saw at the FL game what the team looks like without Coop.

Sure, she makes some mistakes but those some of those errors come with her role as the head of the snake of an aggressive pressing defense. On the whole, this team makes a lot of "mistakes" because the entire system is built on a high risk-high reward scheme. As long they generate more mistakes then they make, the outcome is generally positive. And 21 wins so far indicates that the LVs have generally been on the right side of the equation.

Coop will become an incredible player as she continues to gain experience.

Labeling her inexperience and some issues that just come with the team's style of play as "LOW IQ" is questionable on so many levels but to avoid further controversy, lets just say I am pretty sure that such derogatory comments directed at a LV athlete violates board rules and it is also completely unwarranted.
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I am betting the poster can fully relate to the referenced condition having suffered from it.
 
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Even the use of the phrase “low iq” is ridiculous. First off it started as a reference to basketball IQ and went downhill from there.
CKC gave Coop the keys to the bus. That alone should shut that phrase down.
Additionally she a sophomore playing her first significant collegiate minutes. She has also been given a lot of responsibility.
I say go Coop! Don’t even think about pumping those brakes. If there is a cleanup on aisle three we’ll get to that later. Coop and Spear my co-MVPs this year.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
Yes, the plays being labeled as mistakes are what highly successful coaches understand comes with taking chances with their elite playmakers.
You can’t play it safe and expect big results.
Taking away how Coop plays the game would not help her grow as a player. CKC is molding her, teaching her, and letting her figure out how to become a great player.
You learn from the mistakes and continue to compete at a high level.
Coop is a competitor. Coop and her teammates are trying to win at all cost and Coach Caldwell knows it.
Coop is not a low IQ player. She thinks she can score every time she touches the ball. Even with her talent it’s rare to see a player have this level of hunger/determination and killer instinct.
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I will reinforce a few of your points. Some folks are not getting the contradiction of cheering for the fast paced high scoring offense and the wear the opponent defensive pressure and then condemning players and calling them names when they make TOs or pick up fouls by being too aggresive.

I think that is one reason a lot of coaches don't play this style because you have to accept some "mistakes" that are going to happen when you are playing all out, all the time.

As the team gets more experience and playing time together, they will get more efficient but this team is really a work in progress that has not been at it all that long. On the whole, they are ahead of schedule, including Coop.

If people watch her play and only scream and complain about her mistakes, versus applauding her steals and clutch buckets, well, they might be card carrying members of the "legion of the miserable."
 
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i really don't understand the cooper criticism. many players on the team have had highs and lows on their level of play. and, some of the players from last year haven't really had many "highs" either. coop is also now getting the star treatment on defense from the other teams. she will be fine!
 
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knoxvol52 said:
I view Cooper as I do Zakai, you have to take both the bad and good in their play. Usually the good outweighs the bad in the game.
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I'd compare her to Jordan Horston. Incredibly talented but also very outwardly emotional, overthinking, and prone to letting previous plays live in her head. Also very young and new to the major role, hopefully will grow into it like JH did.

The use of "low iq" is very fraught as it immediately gets applied to the player in geneal and not just her bball decision making. Definitely can be a dog whistle. Pretty sure that's well known and I'm surprised it keeps getting thrown out there.
 
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glv98 said:
I'd compare her to Jordan Horston. Incredibly talented but also very outwardly emotional, overthinking, and prone to letting previous plays live in her head. Also very young and new to the major role, hopefully will grow into it like JH did.

The use of "low iq" is very fraught as it immediately gets applied to the player in geneal and not just her bball decision making. Definitely can be a dog whistle. Pretty sure that's well known and I'm surprised it keeps getting thrown out there.
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I agree with the Horston comparison! However Jordan was still making bone headed plays her last year …. Coop is playing in her 2 year and hopefully she grows out of the all star plays and slows down enough to be a smoother player without all of the superstar plays and just let the game come to you and be smart with the ball ? 🤷‍♂️
 
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glv98 said:
I'd compare her to Jordan Horston. Incredibly talented but also very outwardly emotional, overthinking, and prone to letting previous plays live in her head. Also very young and new to the major role, hopefully will grow into it like JH did.

The use of "low iq" is very fraught as it immediately gets applied to the player in geneal and not just her bball decision making. Definitely can be a dog whistle. Pretty sure that's well known and I'm surprised it keeps getting thrown out there.
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Never referred to Coop having "low IQ" but I do believe at times during the game Coop tries to do too much on her own.
 
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PRG said:
I agree with the Horston comparison! However Jordan was still making bone headed plays her last year …. Coop is playing in her 2 year and hopefully she grows out of the all star plays and slows down enough to be a smoother player without all of the superstar plays and just let the game come to you and be smart with the ball ? 🤷‍♂️
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Yeah and this is the first season she is being heavily relied on. There was no pressure at SC and her minutes were limited.

Every player on this team has gotten better under Kim and Co, I have no doubt Coop is going to continue to improve over her career.

Just the amount of coaching I see players getting in live games…it’s totally different. It was rare to see previous coaches giving in game instruction but Kim and Co are constantly pouring into the players on the sideline. Sometimes tender…sometimes not.
 
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glv98 said:
I'd compare her to Jordan Horston. Incredibly talented but also very outwardly emotional, overthinking, and prone to letting previous plays live in her head. Also very young and new to the major role, hopefully will grow into it like JH did.

The use of "low iq" is very fraught as it immediately gets applied to the player in geneal and not just her bball decision making. Definitely can be a dog whistle. Pretty sure that's well known and I'm surprised it keeps getting thrown out there.
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It’s only a dog whistle to people who think along that path. Any player who thinks dribbling into traffic will somehow turn out good, isn’t thinking too much on the court in the first place.

I definitely agree about the Horston comparison, and if I’m not mistaken, I used to say the same about Jordan. I really hope Cooper grows out of that. She’s “technically” a Junior if we’re going by age and I hope she starts making better decisions with the ball.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Never referred to Coop having "low IQ" but I do believe at times during the game Coop tries to do too much on her own.
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Anybody have a clue if she is playing outside coach’s directions? Full bore can bring on error potential, but wonder if she has been instructed in-game or post game to be more conservative. Collapsing on her creates space for others. Bet staff has a net/net study on all players. Same for her overplay going the other way. Gotta take the good with the bad, and do the whole calculation.
 
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PRG said:
I agree with the Horston comparison! However Jordan was still making bone headed plays her last year …
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I was trying to be nice!
LadyVol1908 said:
I definitely agree about the Horston comparison, and if I’m not mistaken, I used to say the same about Jordan. I really hope Cooper grows out of that. She’s “technically” a Junior if we’re going by age and I hope she starts making better decisions with the ball.
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On court experience wise, which is what counts, Coop is a baby. Esp at this central role. Don't think that yr of mop up duty at SC helped her much. If she's still kinda out of control next yr we have a problem
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
And one more thing before I go, no matter how many think pieces y’all are writing, it’s not going to change the fact she makes low IQ plays that can be completely avoidable! 🥴 Be blessed! 🩵🧡
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So do you think Coop is a low IQ individual? BC that's what it sounds like. How about just leave "IQ" out and say "decision making". Or if you must use IQ say basketball IQ.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
I view Cooper as I do Zakai, you have to take both the bad and good in their play. Usually the good outweighs the bad in the game.
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That's pretty good. Z is a senior and if Coop continues to get better would be nice to see her on that level. I would like to see her kick it back out some for the wide-open 3 . But if the 3 isn't falling you don't need to take to many. And of course you could dump it down low to Spearman.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
And one more thing before I go, no matter how many think pieces y’all are writing, it’s not going to change the fact she makes low IQ plays that can be completely avoidable! 🥴 Be blessed! 🩵🧡
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OR she makes high risk plays that end poorly, as some will do, and low IQ fans try to interpret the plays without benefit of knowing her instructions from the staff. When the bad ones stack up and create bad runs memories kick in, when good runs, like the 3rd quarter the other day, not so much and net analysis is invalid.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
And one more thing before I go, no matter how many think pieces y’all are writing, it’s not going to change the fact she makes low IQ plays that can be completely avoidable! 🥴 Be blessed! 🩵🧡
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Personally,I would not use “low IQ” but rather would say overconfidence plays a role here. She quite obviously thinks that she can play one on three or even four and come out best. This flies in the face of what the results have shown so far. When she is one on one or one on two she frequently wins that matchup, but one on three or more usually ends in a bad outcome. So many times she goes one on three with a teammate wide open and makes no attempt to pass to the open player. This is a learning experience for her and as she matures in her play these open teammates will start receiving passes for open shots. This board went for years criticizing the preponderance of times that players took the ball into the paint and were surrounded by defenders and made bad plays. She will learn that it will enhance her performance to pass to an open player. Her future ceiling is All American caliber. Go Lady Vols!
 
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Benionsopinion said:
Personally,I would not use “low IQ” but rather would say overconfidence plays a role here. She quite obviously thinks that she can play one on three or even four and come out best. This flies in the face of what the results have shown so far. When she is one on one or one on two she frequently wins that matchup, but one on three or more usually ends in a bad outcome. So many times she goes one on three with a teammate wide open and makes no attempt to pass to the open player. This is a learning experience for her and as she matures in her play these open teammates will start receiving passes for open shots. This board went for years criticizing the preponderance of times that players took the ball into the paint and were surrounded by defenders and made bad plays. She will learn that it will enhance her performance to pass to an open player. Her future ceiling is All American caliber. Go Lady Vols!
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Very good. I believe she's taking the ball to the hoop when she drives almost all the time. When she starts mixing it up more by driving to kick to open players more fans will be happier. There's no perfect players therefore everyone needs work on their craft. It's amazing how much each player has grown this year and coaches have tweaked there approach. GLV 💥
 
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