Further SEC Expansion

Will the SEC expand to 16 teams in the next few years?

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UTGhostHunter

UTGhostHunter

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Let me start by saying that I'm working on that Akron video right now. I figure that the sooner I can get that one done, the sooner I can move on to Georgia. I'm interested in hearing some of the responses from Volnation to the recent rumor that the SEC is moving to 16. I actually predicted that would have to happen the moment they moved to 14 because scheduling for a 14-team conference and making everyone happy was going to be too difficult. So, do you believe that the SEC will move to 16 in the near future, and if they are, who do they bring in? I'm already on record as saying that they will expand, so I personally think that Virginia Tech and NC State will be the newest conference members. I know everyone wants North Carolina, but I don't think they will be willing to sever ties with a conference that is so strong in basketball, their bread and butter.
 
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Not voting. I know it will, but I am 100% against it. I despise Texas a,m for starting this crap. Hope they get the dog shat beat out of the for years to come. Welcome to the SEC suckas.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Not voting. I know it will, but I am 100% against it. I despise Texas a,m for starting this crap. Hope they get the dog shat beat out of the for years to come. Welcome to the SEC suckas.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but A&M wouldn't have had anywhere to go if the SEC wasn't interested. I appreciate that you were against expansion, and I would be willing to bet that there is a significant contingent that was and is opposed to expansion. Personally, I think this is what was going to be necessary to prompt significant changes from the NCAA in the format of post-season play and methods of scheduling. I wouldn't be shocked if in fifteen years there were only six conferences at the highest Division-1 level (no longer called FBS due to a sixteen team playoff). I know this isn't a popular opinion, and I'm well aware that this is a controversial idea, but I think it would provide an interesting opportunity to undo some of the business ideals that have permeated into collegiate athletics.
 
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it will happen sooner or later,i don't like it at all,a lot of long established rivalries will be seldom seen,just so UT can play the likes of Missouri or A&M,nothing against them,but it is going to ruin some good rivalries, for the sake of the all mighty dollar

i have no desire to have VT or NCS in the SEC,this will be like baseballs inter league crap,I'll have to see the team i love play against teams,that i don't give a crap about,instead of the tradition that has been built up thru the years

i know that it is going to happen,it will be a sad day for college football
 
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governmentmule said:
it will happen sooner or later,i don't like it at all,a lot of long established rivalries will be seldom seen,just so UT can play the likes of Missouri or A&M,nothing against them,but it is going to ruin some good rivalries, for the sake of the all mighty dollar

i have no desire to have VT or NCS in the SEC,this will be like baseballs inter league crap,I'll have to see the team i love play against teams,that i don't give a crap about,instead of the tradition that has been built up thru the years

i know that it is going to happen,it will be a sad day for college football
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I don't know yet what the SEC will do from a scheduling standpoint, but if they expand to sixteen, move to a four division format, and expand to nine conference games, I actually think there will be a lot more rivalries preserved than you might think. Here's a scenario: The SEC North will consist of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Virginia Tech. The SEC East is NC State, Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia. The SEC South is Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Miss State. Finally, the SEC West is Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, and Missouri. The scheduling is thus. Each year, a team must play all the teams in their division, all the teams in another division, plus one team from each of the other divisions. That would mean that every year Tennessee could play Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. Is it a small sacrafice since they won't be able to play Georgia or South Carolina every year? Sure, but they'll still play them every three years. This to me is the format that allow for the best preservation of rivalries as well as the most logical division organization.
 
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I really don't care who we play just win. Change is coming rather we like it or not. The sooner we accept it the easier it will be for traditional fans. I personally can't wait to visit other universities like a@m to experience the atmosphere under the lights when we visit(dont know when). GO VOLS!!!!!:rock:
 
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For a couple of years or more I have predicted a football oriented division that is not NCAA controlled. It will consist of 4 conferences of 16 teams each. Like European futbol, teams will move up/down between the top level and the 2nd tier. The 2nd tier will consist of the "mid-majors" and the top of the FCS schools (Ga Southern, Furman, etc). Today, it looks like the SEC, Big 12, Big "10", and PAC will be the basis for the 4 divisions. They will poach the Big East, ACC, and Notre Dame. There might even be some movement between them (ie, A&M back to their geography). Clemson, FSU, NC, Miami, Syracuse, and a few others will be looking for a football home in the near future. ... the very near future!
 
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The SEC is already NFL jr., might as well expand to 16 teams to complete the likeness. I think we'll see possibly one of the following combos:

Va. Tech and UNC
NCST and Clemson (unless Spurrier/USC blocks it)
NVST and UMd
NCT and Va
 
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I don't see it coming because it is going on right now.My guess is the SEC will go after VT or NC or NCS. There will always be some type of NCAA control because of the tax breaks the schools get.
 
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UTGhostHunter said:
I don't know yet what the SEC will do from a scheduling standpoint, but if they expand to sixteen, move to a four division format, and expand to nine conference games, I actually think there will be a lot more rivalries preserved than you might think. Here's a scenario: The SEC North will consist of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Virginia Tech. The SEC East is NC State, Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia. The SEC South is Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Miss State. Finally, the SEC West is Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, and Missouri. The scheduling is thus. Each year, a team must play all the teams in their division, all the teams in another division, plus one team from each of the other divisions. That would mean that every year Tennessee could play Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. Is it a small sacrafice since they won't be able to play Georgia or South Carolina every year? Sure, but they'll still play them every three years. This to me is the format that allow for the best preservation of rivalries as well as the most logical division organization.
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that kinda sounds ok,but will it play out like that? i would miss playing Ga every year and SC,VT just makes me want to puke :)
 
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governmentmule said:
that kinda sounds ok,but will it play out like that? i would miss playing Ga every year and SC,VT just makes me want to puke :)
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It'll work like that if I'm miraculously hired to replace Mike Slive, but seeing as how that's unlikely, I don't know. It's the logical solution.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The SEC is already NFL jr., might as well expand to 16 teams to complete the likeness. I think we'll see possibly one of the following combos:

Va. Tech and UNC
NCST and Clemson (unless Spurrier/USC blocks it)
NVST and UMd
NCT and Va
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NC St. and VT. It's all about TV markets.
 
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UTGhostHunter said:
Not trying to pick a fight, but A&M wouldn't have had anywhere to go if the SEC wasn't interested. I appreciate that you were against expansion, and I would be willing to bet that there is a significant contingent that was and is opposed to expansion. Personally, I think this is what was going to be necessary to prompt significant changes from the NCAA in the format of post-season play and methods of scheduling. I wouldn't be shocked if in fifteen years there were only six conferences at tīhe highest Division-1 level (no longer called FBS due to a sixteen team playoff). I know this isn't a popular opinion, and I'm well aware that this is a controversial idea, but I think it would provide an interesting opportunity to undo some of the business ideals that have permeated into collegiate athletics.
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Your last part is wrong they keep advancing their idesls and trust me this was one.They know exactly what they are doing.
 
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Expansion is cool and all, but there'd have to be a change in NCAA rules to allow anything but a single championship game and that game is only allowed due to a loophole that was meant for 1-AA teams. The 4 division stuff is complete pie in the sky IMO.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
I really don't care who we play just win. Change is coming rather we like it or not. The sooner we accept it the easier it will be for traditional fans. I personally can't wait to visit other universities like a@m to experience the atmosphere under the lights when we visit(dont know when). GO VOLS!!!!!:rock:
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Agreed traveling to Mizzou next year for sure.
 
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I don't think anyone needed a crystal ball to know that once the SEC expanded to 14 they would go to 16. And I think everyone understands the 'why? of expansion. It's all about the benjamins. But that doesn't make expansion an easier pill to swallow. I'm sure in 20 years future Vol fans will have accept them as part of the SEC, despite the geographical oddities they are in the Southeastern Conference. I suppose most of us have finnaly come to terms with Arkie and SC being SEC members, never mind that there entry ended one of the 2 great annual Vol rivalries w/ Auburn. And maybe future Vol fans won't remember what the 3rd Saturday in October was all about as the Vols prepare for their new rivalries w/ Mizzou and a soon to be announced future member of the SEC East (WVA? Cincy? Clemson?), but replacing those ancient border rivalries w/ new rivalries w/ geographic oddities will just never seem quite the same.
 
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GAVol said:
Expansion is cool and all, but there'd have to be a change in NCAA rules to allow anything but a single championship game and that game is only allowed due to a loophole that was meant for 1-AA teams. The 4 division stuff is complete pie in the sky IMO.
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Revenue for extra games means if University Presidents want it, then it will happen. AA will go along with Presidents.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Not voting. I know it will, but I am 100% against it. I despise Texas a,m for starting this crap. Hope they get the dog shat beat out of the for years to come. Welcome to the SEC suckas.
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Texas A&M didn't start this stuff. It goes back to a lot of other issues in the Big 12 one of which was that Texas started the "Longhorn Network" and trying to get a stranglehold on recruiting. If you knew your history you would know that Nebraska and Colorado left the Big 12 the year before A&M and Missouri left. Back further, Arkansas left the Southwest Conference (SWC) to join the SEC when South Carolina joined the SEC at the same time. The SEC knows that if it wants to remain the "Big Boy" conference it's either expand or the other conferences will suck up those teams. Right now the SEC enjoys the priviledge of being able to pick the ones it wants, for the most part. It's change, deal with it and quit whining.
 
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