Fulmer subpoenaed

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#102
89 VOLS grad said:
Oh, I guess 51 don't count. There will be another one in the next 5 years.
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If you graduated from UT in 89, odds are you weren’t around in 51. And that is very wishful thinking there on the next 5 years. Odds are better Heupel isn’t here in 5 years than that he brings us a natty during that time. The gap between us and the actual contenders is growing.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Even if he doesn't, CJH is still a much better coach that Fulmer and it isn't even close! UT was recruiting much better back then. Now, there are lots more schools recruiting as good or better than UT. A lot of you will say Fulmer was an awesome recruiter. He was good. But, I don't even think he would be recruiting as good as Heupel right now. UT is a good brand now. But, it was a much bigger brand when Majors and Fulmer were coaching. Tons of teams now are big brand now unlike the 90s.
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Recruiting is a big part of coaching, bub. Heupel isn’t recruiting that great, Fulmer was an ace at it.
 
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SpookyAction said:
Seems like an obvious move for Pruitt's team.

I think he should get a probation for Show Cause. The game itself has changed since the punishment was meted out to Pruitt and his crew.
Then this ends if he, Niedermeier, and the rest can keep their noses clean for a few seasons.
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Why would anyone other than Fulmer, Pruitt, and their attorneys care?
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
But if the program had been destroyed, don’t you think that it would have taken a little longer to have become competitive?

You’ll never see another run like the one he gave us. To dismiss him entirely because of a failed AD stint that was immediately corrected is just foolish.
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1) "Failed AD stint" is putting it mildly.
2) It wasn't just his AD stint. The last 4 years he had here as HC weren't very good, and it didn't exactly leave the program in a great spot. Sure, it got much worse after he left due to admin incompetence, but it wasn't like everything was great with the football program when he was shown the door.

His legacy at UT is very mixed, IMO, even though he did win our only modern era national title.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Recruiting is a big part of coaching, bub. Heupel isn’t recruiting that great, Fulmer was an ace at it.
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Yeah, he was so good the roster had ZERO OL talent when he left. The OL was probably the weakest link on the team his last couple of years. That isn't the definition of an 'ACE RECRUITER' when your HC was a former OL himself!!! He did a lot of good recruiting. But, the success of the team before he took over and the lack of competition and lack of recruiting battles he had worked in his favor. No one will never know. But, I doubt he would be recruiting as good as Heuple and staff have done the last four years after the had Fulmer took over a 10 year mess that started because of his lack of coaching and continued with him meddling in the program when he should have sailed off into the sunset!!!
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
If you graduated from UT in 89, odds are you weren’t around in 51. And that is very wishful thinking there on the next 5 years. Odds are better Heupel isn’t here in 5 years than that he brings us a natty during that time. The gap between us and the actual contenders is growing.
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If you are going to be specific, be specific. Lots of people have seen the 1951 NC whether they were born or not. I guess people can't stream it to see it when they weren't alive at that time. LOL

 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Recruiting is a big part of coaching, bub. Heupel isn’t recruiting that great, Fulmer was an ace at it.
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When Fulmer became a head coach, UT had a successful recruiting model that had been highly functioning for over a decade. In other words, Fulmer didn't take over a shat show with scholarship restrictions. Huge difference. Heupel is having to rebuild this program as HC. Fulmer took over a powerhouse as HC. When Fulmer had to do some rebuilding in the 2000s, it didn't turn out so well, having 2 losing seasons in his last 4
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Yeah, he was so good the roster had ZERO OL talent when he left. The OL was probably the weakest link on the team his last couple of years. That isn't the definition of an 'ACE RECRUITER' when your HC was a former OL himself!!! He did a lot of good recruiting. But, the success of the team before he took over and the lack of competition and lack of recruiting battles he had worked in his favor. No one will never know. But, I doubt he would be recruiting as good as Heuple and staff have done the last four years after the had Fulmer took over a 10 year mess that started because of his lack of coaching and continued with him meddling in the program when he should have sailed off into the sunset!!!
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Fulmer recruited every player on a national championship team. He recruited more than one Pro Football Hall of Famer. It will have taken Heupel at least 5 years to recruit an offensive lineman out of high school who started a game at UT.

We know who the better recruiter was.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
If you are going to be specific, be specific. Lots of people have seen the 1951 NC whether they were born or not. I guess people can't stream it to see it when they weren't alive at that time. LOL

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You are the only person who had even an ounce of trouble discerning what I was saying. I don’t think specificity was the problem.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Fulmer recruited every player on a national championship team. He recruited more than one Pro Football Hall of Famer. It will have taken Heupel at least 5 years to recruit an offensive lineman out of high school who started a game at UT.

We know who the better recruiter was.
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Are you assuming Witten will be a hall of famer?
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Recruiting is a big part of coaching, bub. Heupel isn’t recruiting that great, Fulmer was an ace at it.
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Fulmer was a lazy cow that instead of being our Saban turned into just a worse Les Miles! He had aces on his staff not just him and he sure as heck made some stupid coaching decisions because the only won because of Cutcliff! Besides that he gave us OC like Randy Sanders and ole Taco was a bad coach that cost us more games than he himself won by his coaching.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Fulmer recruited every player on a national championship team. He recruited more than one Pro Football Hall of Famer. It will have taken Heupel at least 5 years to recruit an offensive lineman out of high school who started a game at UT.

We know who the better recruiter was.
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There's no debate as to Phil the recruiter. No one is even debating it with you.
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
Fulmer was a lazy cow that instead of being our Saban turned into just a worse Les Miles! He had aces on his staff not just him and he sure as heck made some stupid coaching decisions because the only won because of Cutcliff! Besides that he gave us OC like Randy Sanders and ole Taco was a bad coach that cost us more games than he himself won by his coaching.
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Fulmer’s winning percentage without Cut was high than Johnny Majors’ winning percentage. It was higher than Cut’s winning percentage. It was far higher than our winning percentage from 09-21.

For some reason you nimrods think that if you aren’t Nick Saban, you are a failure. Fulmer is a Hall of Famer who won 75% of his games and the only national championship you will ever see us win. We should pray to God that we ever see another coach who matches him.
 
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madbamahater said:
Fulmer was early on. That all changed when other SEC teams drastically upgraded their staffs and it left Fulmer in the dust (the game passed him by)
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The upgrade in coaches hit the Vols hard: Saban at Bama, Meyer at UF, Spurrier at SC, Richt at UGA (excellent recruiter), Tubberville at Auburn ("stole" Cadillac Williams). We probably lost at least 3 or 4 four-star players every year that we would have gotten without the coaching upgrades, which led to the decline in wins. We just were unable to remain dominant without the top players we usually recruited.
 
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I remember Randy Sanders commenting one time to the effect Fulmer always had input in his play calls during games. If that was the case, I can see why Sanders took the fall for the offense.

Was it ‘05 or ‘08 when the defense was actually strong enough to win games?
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Fulmer’s winning percentage without Cut was high than Johnny Majors’ winning percentage. It was higher than Cut’s winning percentage. It was far higher than our winning percentage from 09-21.

For some reason you nimrods think that if you aren’t Nick Saban, you are a failure. Fulmer is a Hall of Famer who won 75% of his games and the only national championship you will ever see us win. We should pray to God that we ever see another coach who matches him.
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How many times are you going to say ,"the only national championship we will ever see"? You continue to back up your handle like a champion.
 
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