Fulmer salary issue

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FYI, an excerpt from the Orlando Sentinel about a new contract for Meyer and how he compares now to other SEC coaches, including Fulmer...

According to data collected by USA Today during the 2006 season, Meyer's $1.52 million package (before bonuses) ranks 19th among Division I Bowl subdivision coaches. The arrangement puts him fifth among Southeastern Conference coaches, behind Auburn's Tommy Tuberville, Tennessee's Phil Fulmer, Alabama's head coach (both ex-head man Mike Shula and new guy Nick Saban) and Georgia's Mark Richt.

Meyer's new deal will likely leap him over Richt, Fulmer and Tuberville, whose $2.23 million salary led the conference coaches before Saban took $4 million per year to coach the Crimson Tide. Such a deal would place Meyer among the nation's Top 10.

Do you guys think that Fulmer should get a raise given that, relatively speaking, he has been making more than Meyer?
 
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Ur-bun isn't going anywhere. He's got his life partner Tebow comming back and CJ Spiller is running down from Clemson.
 
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Raises should be based on results. Nothing new here. I do an average job at work I sure the hec won't receive a raise. Bowls are an expectation not a reward. BCS Bowls are goal. Meet that and you deserve a little more bling at the end of the year.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Raises should be based on results. Nothing new here. I do an average job at work I sure the hec won't receive a raise. Bowls are an expectation not a reward. BCS Bowls are goal. Meet that and you deserve a little more bling at the end of the year.
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Great points, money is a motivator and if he looks over and see's the money Urban recieves then mabye he will be motivated. If it was me coaching this year my ego would motivate me because no 2nd year SEC coach is coming into my conferance and showing me up.
 
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No. But, it wouldn't surprise me if Phil gets some kind of monetary reward and/or contract extension.
 
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That's my feeling about it, too. If they want to do an extension that basically gives Fulmer bigger guarantees should eh be asked to leave, that might make some sense. But to increase his salary under the current circumstances seems to me to send the wrong signal. While I am sure there are numerous programs out there that would love to have him, I can't think of any big time programs that would and certainly none that would pay him what he makes now. So, to me, its a question of paying him what the market bears and right now the market for him would not seem to require that you put a bunch more $ on the table.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's my feeling about it, too. If they want to do an extension that basically gives Fulmer bigger guarantees should eh be asked to leave, that might make some sense. But to increase his salary under the current circumstances seems to me to send the wrong signal. While I am sure there are numerous programs out there that would love to have him, I can't think of any big time programs that would and certainly none that would pay him what he makes now. So, to me, its a question of paying him what the market bears and right now the market for him would not seem to require that you put a bunch more $ on the table.
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Do you think we need a coaching change?
 
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finevol said:
Do you think we need a coaching change?
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I have very mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, I do see some merit to the observation others have made that the program seems to be stuck in neutral. It just "feels" like the other SECE teams are on the move, but you guys aren't. And it is easy to blame the coach -- who else would you blame?

Thing is, even though it feels that way, I wonder how much of that is a function of the fact that Fulmer is just not a flashy guy and the fact that you have been under his leadership for so long.

I mean, if you are just performing as you should and recruiting is going well and its just a question of all the right pieces being in place at the right time, but in the meantime you have to deal with 3-5 losses a year (including bowls), is that really a problem or does it just seem that way because others around you appear to be doing what it takes to get better?

Fulmer is, let's face it, kind of dull. And meanwhile here's Florida hiring Meyer and suddenly winning an NC, UGA has Richt, SoCarolina has Spurrtier. Now on the West 'bama has a new coach and LSU is for real...

It would be easy, given that Fulmer is who he is, to see the program as stagnant because Fulmer's personality is what it is. But I am not sure that the two are related, you know?
 
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Alabama has opened the coaching pandora's box. Urban, Richt, etc will be thrown huge sums of money in the near future by deep pocket schools if they have continued success. Urban should consider anything less than $4M per year from FL an insult at this point.

And no, I do not think Fulmer could make the money he makes at UT anywhere else, nor do I think he deserves a raise.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have very mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, I do see some merit to the observation others have made that the program seems to be stuck in neutral. It just "feels" like the other SECE teams are on the move, but you guys aren't. And it is easy to blame the coach -- who else would you blame?

Thing is, even though it feels that way, I wonder how much of that is a function of the fact that Fulmer is just not a flashy guy and the fact that you have been under his leadership for so long.

I mean, if you are just performing as you should and recruiting is going well and its just a question of all the right pieces being in place at the right time, but in the meantime you have to deal with 3-5 losses a year (including bowls), is that really a problem or does it just seem that way because others around you appear to be doing what it takes to get better?

Fulmer is, let's face it, kind of dull. And meanwhile here's Florida hiring Meyer and suddenly winning an NC, UGA has Richt, SoCarolina has Spurrtier. Now on the West 'bama has a new coach and LSU is for real...

It would be easy, given that Fulmer is who he is, to see the program as stagnant because Fulmer's personality is what it is. But I am not sure that the two are related, you know?
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Great way to put things, I agree with many points you made. My aunt is dowm from Tenn. Knox. and she says that many boosters are calling for a change and money talks.
 
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lawgator1 said:
FYI, an excerpt from the Orlando Sentinel about a new contract for Meyer and how he compares now to other SEC coaches, including Fulmer...

According to data collected by USA Today during the 2006 season, Meyer's $1.52 million package (before bonuses) ranks 19th among Division I Bowl subdivision coaches. The arrangement puts him fifth among Southeastern Conference coaches, behind Auburn's Tommy Tuberville, Tennessee's Phil Fulmer, Alabama's head coach (both ex-head man Mike Shula and new guy Nick Saban) and Georgia's Mark Richt.

Meyer's new deal will likely leap him over Richt, Fulmer and Tuberville, whose $2.23 million salary led the conference coaches before Saban took $4 million per year to coach the Crimson Tide. Such a deal would place Meyer among the nation's Top 10.

Do you guys think that Fulmer should get a raise given that, relatively speaking, he has been making more than Meyer?
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I'm not sure how what Fulmer makes concerns a Gator fan first and foremost.:no:
Secondly, Meyer , a guy who's probably crying about getting more money, (i.e.BCS rankings whinning), should have hired someone to negotiate more money form the getgo.
Last, concerning Fulmer, if anyone is stupid enough to throw money at you, I'm sure he will take every penny offered, who wouldn't.Coach Fulmer's rasie should go to his to Cutcliffe,Chavis and Taylor IMO.
 
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utfantilidie said:
I'm not sure how what Fulmer makes concerns a Gator fan first and foremost.:no:
Secondly, Meyer , a guy who's probably crying about getting more money, (i.e.BCS rankings whinning), should have hired someone to negotiate more money form the getgo.
Last, concerning Fulmer, if anyone is stupid enough to throw money at you, I'm sure he will take every penny offered, who wouldn't.Coach Fulmer's rasie should go to his to Cutcliffe,Chavis and Taylor IMO.
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He is just a smart guy who loves College football and I welcome his opinion. He also brings unbiased insight.
 
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fine, he's just giving me a hard time. Don't sweat it 'cause I don't.

I don't think I'm saying anything new here, anyway. I just was sort of surprised to see that Fulmer in '06 made more than Meyer and I think that is relevant to the ongoing discussion of whether Fulmer should get an extension and/or a raise. And that discussion has been going on here for weeks, if not months.
 
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When I first joined this site I could not believe there were Vol fans that wanted his job to end. Remember I live in Fla so until this site I was not in contact with many UT fans to discuss issues. Now that I see the reasoning behind their thoughts, I have gone from suprised to on the fence. If LAW went up to 20 Gator fans and said "the Vols should fire CPF " 15 of them would look at him like he lost his mind. People have not been introduced to the negative side.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I just was sort of surprised to see that Fulmer in '06 made more than Meyer
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You must remember from whence Meyer came. He was an extremely successful football coach at a lower level who had yet to prove he could duplicate that success on the biggest stage, so it is not surprising he was not compensated with the top paid coaches in the country, or in the conference.

He has now duplicated that success, and the money is coming.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's my feeling about it, too. If they want to do an extension that basically gives Fulmer bigger guarantees should eh be asked to leave, that might make some sense. But to increase his salary under the current circumstances seems to me to send the wrong signal. While I am sure there are numerous programs out there that would love to have him, I can't think of any big time programs that would and certainly none that would pay him what he makes now. So, to me, its a question of paying him what the market bears and right now the market for him would not seem to require that you put a bunch more $ on the table.
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I agree. Raising Fulmer's salary is ridiculous. It his responsibility to lead this program to bring championships back. If he can not, we have to let him and all people know that he has not get his job done and we are not satisfied with that.
 
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Apparently the people in the AD feel finishing at the bottom of the top 25 is worthy of a raise. Regardless that he is already one of the top 10 highest paid coaches in the country.
 
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You mean we wasted about 10 threads and roughly 3000 posts discussing Fulmer's raise and extension and neither have happened yet?
 
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