Fulmer just said....

#52
#52
VolBeef88 said:
Well that's fine if you have that opinion. I was just pointing out that all coaches have a prevent.
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I know. They just have one that attacks better and doesn't play as soft as we do it seems. Also, it seems as if our DB's and LB's play soft coverage all the time for that matter which makes the playing soft argument one that can be seen more readily than the other teams.
 
#56
#56
TideMan said:
The clock is your friend equals Shula ball. Good luck with that.
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Are you kidding? $aban sat on a lead the whole second half and almost got beat. He employed the prevent WAY early. Now go away and pray to your alter of a dead bear.
 
#57
#57
there's a difference in playing prevent defense over the course of the final minute of hte game where the opponent has no time outs and you have a front four that can get pressure on it's own.

it's an entirely different thing to be up by 10 with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter and start "playing off". Especially when your front four can't get pressure on the qb, and their WR's are killing you with short, underneath routes.

at the heart of the matter are two things:
1. making adjustments as the game goes on as things dictate change
2. scheming those parts of the game to what you do best (poor def. front, supposedly excellent back 4).

you can do any number of things if you know your personnel well enough to trust them to execute it the way you expect them to.
 
#58
#58
The Tall Gguy said:
Agreed--but....Fulmer has a tendency to do this when he gets up by 7 pts in the 1st Quarter. End of game--I agree. Do it. But 1st Quarter?
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Give an example. Name the game(s). I don't think you have any idea as to what you are talking about.
 
#59
#59
Maybe we should just never sit on a lead. Just beat the unholy tar out of whoever we play.:dunno:
 
#60
#60
I like how you keep throwing out the 40% 3rd down success of our opponent to support your "soft" argument even though that number does not really have much to do with that argument. When our opponent has 3rd and long our defenses success rate is actually not bad. Our horrendous 40% 3rd down failures on defense comes from 3rd and short, where our defense has been completely unable to stop 3rd and short situations. So what does a run for 4 yards by our opponent on 3rd and 2 have to do with play soft coverage?
 
#61
#61
I've only seen one Texas game this year. But I do seem to remember they played 5 DB's with four down linemen on most 3rd down plays with 5 or more to go for a first down. I think I remember one sack from the four down guys on one occasion. That was when Mo. had a slot receiver, and I'm not sure they had a third down attempt with anyone in the backfield, they may have and I just can't remember. Anyway, Tennessee does exactly the same thing. Chavis will blitz out of this look too and he does it often.
 
#62
#62
Honestly I don't think CPF involves himself in the defensive scheme that much....Some of his comments lead me to believe he doesn't know what the Chief is doing and why and to some extent I don't think the Chief knows what Slade is doing. If CPF does survive...I think Slade will be the first one out the door.
 
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#63
therickbol said:
I like how you keep throwing out the 40% 3rd down success of our opponent to support your "soft" argument even though that number does not really have much to do with that argument. When our opponent has 3rd and long our defenses success rate is actually not bad. Our horrendous 40% 3rd down failures on defense comes from 3rd and short, where our defense has been completely unable to stop 3rd and short situations. So what does a run for 4 yards by our opponent on 3rd and 2 have to do with play soft coverage?
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Stop with the common sense. Just let him rant
 
#64
#64
therickbol said:
I like how you keep throwing out the 40% 3rd down success of our opponent to support your "soft" argument even though that number does not really have much to do with that argument. When our opponent has 3rd and long our defenses success rate is actually not bad. Our horrendous 40% 3rd down failures on defense comes from 3rd and short, where our defense has been completely unable to stop 3rd and short situations. So what does a run for 4 yards by our opponent on 3rd and 2 have to do with play soft coverage?
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What does it matter?? If it's 3rd down it's 3rd down. That's our percentage if it's 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 30. You have to stop them no matter how many yards they have to go. That's been our 2nd biggest problem this year.
 
#65
#65
Yeah, but your argument centered around soft coverage in the secondary. And, THAT has nothing to do with stopping a 3rd and 2 play.
 
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#66
cd12 said:
Honestly I don't think CPF involves himself in the defensive scheme that much....Some of his comments lead me to believe he doesn't know what the Chief is doing and why and to some extent I don't think the Chief knows what Slade is doing. If CPF does survive...I think Slade will be the first one out the door.
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CPF spends almost all his time in practice with the offense
 
#67
#67
Something of note.. Not that it matters.. in the game against UGA...

1st quarter... UGA completed 4 lateral passes with soft coverage that each picked up a first down... led to td drive

2nd quarter... 3rd and 9 conversion with a pass completion to massaqui in which he picked up 14 after the catch.. led to a field goal

2nd quarter... 3rd and 8 conversion with a pass completion to knowshon moreno in which he picked up 8 yards after the catch.. led to a touchdown

3rd quarter... 3rd and 7 conversion with a pass completion to massaquoi.. led to an eric berry interception in the end zone

3rd quarter... 3rd and 16 from the TENN 40 with knoshown running a draw play for a gain of 13 yards that put UGA at TENN's 27 and in field goal range and led to a field goal


All of these drives with the exception of Berry's interception, led to scores and each of uga's two td's.. everyone of these drives had a 3rd and long conversion... each catch (except Massaquio's 28 yard reception that led to a Berry interception) made for the 3rd and long conversions were short of the first down but picked up first downs after the run... which indicates that there was soft coverage..
 
#68
#68
getyopopcornready said:
Something of note.. Not that it matters.. in the game against UGA...

1st quarter... UGA completed 4 lateral passes with soft coverage that each picked up a first down... led to td drive

2nd quarter... 3rd and 9 conversion with a pass completion to massaqui in which he picked up 14 after the catch.. led to a field goal

2nd quarter... 3rd and 8 conversion with a pass completion to knowshon moreno in which he picked up 8 yards after the catch.. led to a touchdown

3rd quarter... 3rd and 7 conversion with a pass completion to massaquoi.. led to an eric berry interception in the end zone

3rd quarter... 3rd and 16 from the TENN 40 with knoshown running a draw play for a gain of 13 yards that put UGA at TENN's 27 and in field goal range and led to a field goal


All of these drives with the exception of Berry's interception, led to scores and each of uga's two td's.. everyone of these drives had a 3rd and long conversion... each catch (except Massaquio's 28 yard reception that led to a Berry interception) made for the 3rd and long conversions were short of the first down but picked up first downs after the run... which indicates that there was soft coverage..
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See, that is how you use factual information to support a certain view. I think what you will also notice is that in most of those particular plays the pass rush was not strong enough to disrupt Stafford. I think our pass rush is improving quite a bit.
 
#69
#69
It means playing not to have a situation where your guy falls and slips and the other team scores an 80+ yard td to win it late in the game cause you're in man and there's noone behind to stop the guy...or simply dont screw up the game when you've got the lead late
 
#70
#70
therickbol said:
Yeah, but your argument centered around soft coverage in the secondary. And, THAT has nothing to do with stopping a 3rd and 2 play.
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Actually, it's just a generalization based on my first post that we play soft and try not to lose when we get a lead the majority of the time. The 3rd down percentage was more of a telling sign that we can't get off the field when we need to and I was using the other coaches stats to show that their defenses do.

So, NO, your facts doesn't have anything to do with what I am conveying in my posts, but YES soft coverage isn't a factor like you said on 3rd and 2 unless they pass that down and the DB is playing off the WR.

Thank rick for contributing to the thread, but there are two different conversations in it as well. Also, I do agree our pass rush is getting better but it's still not there just yet.
 
#71
#71
As a point of fact...

Against FL and GA on 3rd and 6+, the opponents combined to convert 57% of those situations.

That's awful.
 
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#72
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utvolpj said:
please provide a list of the football coaches (who are currently employed) who don't think the same way
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Hey, instead of asking stupid "business major" questions, why dont you understand that every decision, action, or plan is not based on your stupid philosophy of UT Football? Geez its times like this I wish were an AG school!
J:whatever:
 
#73
#73
Rock33 said:
Hey, instead of asking stupid "business major" questions, why dont you understand that every decision, action, or plan is not based on your stupid philosophy of UT Football? Geez its times like this I wish were an AG school!
J:whatever:
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Huh?
 
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