Fulmer Combined TE, FB, and HBack positions

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This sounded interesting, combining the TE and FB into one postion. The same player in the game used in multiple formations as either the TE, FB, or HB.

Scout.com: Tight ends loom large for UT
This spring the Vols are molding an offense that is flexible enough to change formations without changing personnel. That's why they've basically combined the tight end, fullback and H-back positions. “We’re recruiting players that give us enough flexibility that we don’t have to substitute in order to have a fullback, two tight ends on the line or one split out,” Fulmer said. “Defenses are scheming you anymore based on the personnel grouping you’re in. Hopefully, we’ll be able to stay with the same personnel and do all the things we want to do.”
 
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I think I heard Fulmer quoted Sunday saying if the recievers didn't stand up, he'd put three TEs out there and go with it....

I love the way they talk in Spring.
 
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The same player in the game used in multiple formations as either the TE, FB, or Halfback.

I think you probably mean H-back rather than Halfback. I doubt we'll see any of the big guys lining up at halfback.
 
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I think you probably mean H-back rather than Halfback. I doubt we'll see any of the big guys lining up at halfback.

Cottam dotting the eye would be something to see, though.

In a lot of running sets, the role of the Fullback, Tight End, or H-back is the same--we even use a receiver for that purpose in some sets. They seal the end, or they pick up the unblocked linebacker. The initials indicating position really don't matter that much, especially if the guy is athletic enough to get to his block from a couple of different positions.
 
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This really isn't a new concept. We've been doing this for years.
 
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This really isn't a new concept. We've been doing this for years.

Based on what I read about the position at Wikipedia and the footballoutsiders it doesn't sound to me that UT has made the TE as versative in the past as its described here:

An H-Back, also known as F-Back, is an offensive position in American football. The position is a hybrid of a fullback and a tight end. The position was made notable in the NFL by the Washington Redskins under head coach Joe Gibbs who ran a two Tight End system. The position was named F-Back when used later in Norv Turner's offensive system.
In the Redskins offensive system, the H-back is asked to block, pass protect, and run receiving routes from multiple sets. This compares to the standard Tight End which was used primarily as an extra blocker on Washington offensive line. The H-back can line up in the backfield, on the line, or is put into motion. Due to the complexity of the position, a thorough knowledge of the offense is desirable in an H-back. It has been said that a contributory factor for the development of the H-Back position was as a direct counter to the defensive threat of Lawrence Taylor of conference rival New York Giants.[1]

The modern two-tight end set was developed by Joe Gibbs and his Redskins staff in the early 1980s. It was created as a countermeasure against 3-4 defenses in general and Lawrence Taylor in particular. Gibbs discovered that an extra tight end on the line of scrimmage was in better position than a fullback to stop Taylor and other elite blitzers. Gibbs soon learned to use the second tight end as an all-purpose blocker: that extra tight end (usually Don Warren, back in the day) might go in motion before the snap to unbalance the offensive line, or he might slip into the backfield as a fullback or sneak into pass patterns. The modern H-back was born.
The two-tight end base offense enjoyed a brief 80s heyday, with the Redskins, Chargers, and a few other teams using it as their standard package for a few seasons. When the West Coast Offense came into vogue, fullbacks made a resurgence. Most teams had a two-tight end package in their playbooks, but it was a short-yardage formation or a wrinkle: few teams drafted and built around a two-tight end philosophy.
The recent return of the H-back and the two-tight end set can partially be credited to comebacks by the 3-4 defense and by Gibbs. But it is also an adjustment to the personnel that is currently available. Colleges send the NFL plenty of quality tight end prospects every year, most of them top athletes who are able to run, block, and catch. Meanwhile, most college fullbacks are slow-footed lead blockers. Pro coaches need the versatility that the tight ends provide, and multi-tight end sets allow them to mass as many as four eligible receivers near the line of scrimmage. Those extra tight ends give coaches plenty of options in the passing game. But as we’ll see, two-tight end sets can also be very efficient when running the ball.
 
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Based on what I read about the position at Wikipedia and the footballoutsiders it doesn't sound to me that UT has made the TE as versative in the past as its described here:

Chris Brown has caught several passes out of the backfield during his time here. He may not ever be Chris Cooley, but he's played a little fullback and H back.

Also, I could have sworn that the 2 TE set was invented by Chiefs coach Hank Stram. I guess Gibbs and company tweaked it.
 
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If you can't or don't see a difference in this spring and what we did in the past then you just don't want to. The offense is being revamped in a pretty big way. There is more intensity by the staff than I remember from past years as well.

My concern is by making these changes on the off. will we have time to get it right before our trip to Cal. Luckily the road noise at cal won't be an issue. :)
 
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If you can't or don't see a difference in this spring and what we did in the past then you just don't want to. The offense is being revamped in a pretty big way. There is more intensity by the staff than I remember from past years as well.

My concern is by making these changes on the off. will we have time to get it right before our trip to Cal. Luckily the road noise at cal won't be an issue. :)

The hippies in the trees might throw off the team :)
 
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Chris Brown has caught several passes out of the backfield during his time here. He may not ever be Chris Cooley, but he's played a little fullback and H back.

Also, I could have sworn that the 2 TE set was invented by Chiefs coach Hank Stram. I guess Gibbs and company tweaked it.

Chris Brown has been versatile in his 3 years here. He's lined up nearly everywhere. Now, there are 3 guys who can do it with Holbert, Brown and Cottam. Holbert is athletically gifted IMO he'll suprise people once he gets the ball in his hands. Brown will always be a checkdown receiver and Cottam will split the hashes.
 
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I'm speculating from what I have read, that UT is looking at using 2 TE's. One TE playing an H Back position lineing up part of the time as a 2nd TE and part of the time as a FB. I think this is relatively new to UT's offense, have this as the primary formation.

UT has more depth at TE then WR and is making the best use of the available talent. It seems like a smart move to me. My 2 cents.
 
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I know football is a mere hobby there but surely you cant see the trees from the field even in Berkley.

:lolabove: When they have to walk to the stadium from the buses and you see something like a woman who has lived in a tree for 90+ plus days, I would imagine it would scar you.
 
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I know football is a mere hobby there but surely you cant see the trees from the field even in Berkley.

the treetards will likely be out of the trees by gametime. if they aren't our AD has some major explaining to do. I expect the cal crowd to be a real home field advantage (as it was multiple times last year). Nothing the vols aren't used to of course. Oh and some of us take our football very seriously. :)
 
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I think you are both spot on (justin and okie). Using the NH off. will also add to the effectivness of this change. In fact having a good set of TE is crucial to a no huddle as well as RB who can catch. This offense should open up lanes for our younger WR corps and make their transition easier. I think this is a very good move on the coaching staffs part. Im mostly concerned with the amount of time it will take to get a handle on it.
 
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the treetards will likely be out of the trees by gametime. if they aren't our AD has some major explaining to do. I expect the cal crowd to be a real home field advantage (as it was multipel times last year). Nothing the vols aren't used to of course.

I feel sorry for anyone having to put up with that
 
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:lolabove: When they have to walk to the stadium from the buses and you see something like a woman who has lived in a tree for 90+ plus days, I would imagine it would scar you.


Nope. Our guys will just think smokey came through first and treed them. :rock:
 
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the treetards will likely be out of the trees by gametime. if they aren't our AD has some major explaining to do. I expect the cal crowd to be a real home field advantage (as it was multiple times last year). Nothing the vols aren't used to of course. Oh and some of us take our football very seriously. :)


I'm sure there will be tens of fans there yelling. :p
 
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But back to the TE hybrid that Cutcliffe is going to implement. There are several offenses that use the TE well. The Titans, the Patriots etc these are teams that have used the TE well. The Titans do it out of necessity and the Patriots have an athletic freak at TE. This should be the basis of how we use them, not copying Gibbs' 1984 offense
 
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But back to the TE hybrid that Cutcliffe is going to implement. There are several offenses that use the TE well. The Titans, the Patriots etc these are teams that have used the TE well. The Titans do it out of necessity and the Patriots have an athletic freak at TE. This should be the basis of how we use them, not copying Gibbs' 1984 offense


I hear you. But I think they will use it however it is best suited for the players both mentally and physically. Recognistion is a huge part of the No huddle for the whole team especially those who catch and run the ball.
 
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