Fulmer Can Blame It On Sanders Again

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utkalum79

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If the Vols get beat @ Kentucky.
Randy is the QB coach at KY and is ranked 14th in the AP this week.:lolabove::lolabove:
 
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How responsible do you football geniuses think Randy may be for the success KY is having so far? Enlighten me.
 
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LS Vol said:
How responsible do you football geniuses think Randy may be for the success KY is having so far? Enlighten me.
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prior to his arrival Woodson was an also ran qb in the SEC.

since his arrival he's been ALL SEC.

i don't think anyone really every questioned CRS as a qb coach, as an OC he took a lot of heat.

the work he's done with Woodson over the last two years is every bit worth the recognition he's getting.
 
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LS Vol said:
How responsible do you football geniuses think Randy may be for the success KY is having so far? Enlighten me.
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My point is that we are headed down the same 2005 road with this team and maybe, just maybe it is Fulmer & Co. that we need to get rid of instead of throwing another assistant under the bus and blaming him.
 
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jakez4ut said:
prior to his arrival Woodson was an also ran qb in the SEC.

since his arrival he's been ALL SEC.

i don't think anyone really every questioned CRS as a qb coach, as an OC he took a lot of heat.

the work he's done with Woodson over the last two years is every bit worth the recognition he's getting.
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I'll drink a Newcastle to that:)
 
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utkalum79 said:
My point is that we are headed down the same 2005 road with this team and maybe, just maybe it is Fulmer & Co. that we need to get rid of instead of throwing another assistant under the bus and blaming him.
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i think that card can only get played once, and it's been played already. when CPF made the changes to the staff in 05, that was his admission of what needed to be changed/fixed. and the decisions on who to hire were his, and they were his guys. he brings back CDC, and allows the hiring of Kurt Roper and made some changes in some position coaches.

at this point, and i said this when the changes were made, CPF will sink or swim with those decisions, cause they were HIS guys, HIS decisions. if they work, great, he made the right choices, if the don't work, well it's on him as well.

so far, less than enthused.
 
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Are you kidding me? Good QB coach? No he was just as bad at both. He might have actually been a little better OC than QB coach if that is possible. He walked into UK under perfect timing. Woodson was going to be a very good QB before Sanders ever got there. Woodson is a tremendous talent that was very highly recruited. He has NFL talent. Sanders is certainly not responsible for his rise to stardom.

Ainge under Sanders vs. Ainge under Cutcliffe tells us everything we need to know about his QB coach skills.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think that card can only get played once, and it's been played already. when CPF made the changes to the staff in 05, that was his admission of what needed to be changed/fixed. and the decisions on who to hire were his, and they were his guys. he brings back CDC, and allows the hiring of Kurt Roper and made some changes in some position coaches.

at this point, and i said this when the changes were made, CPF will sink or swim with those decisions, cause they were HIS guys, HIS decisions. if they work, great, he made the right choices, if the don't work, well it's on him as well.

so far, less than enthused.
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Well said Bro. Let's face it, by the last game of the year at KY Fulmer's fate will be sealed. Maybe Sanders will offer Phil a job coaching the offensive line at KY during the post game handshake.:birgits_giggle:
 
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jakez4ut said:
prior to his arrival Woodson was an also ran qb in the SEC.

since his arrival he's been ALL SEC.

i don't think anyone really every questioned CRS as a qb coach, as an OC he took a lot of heat.

the work he's done with Woodson over the last two years is every bit worth the recognition he's getting.
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jakez4ut said:
i think that card can only get played once, and it's been played already. when CPF made the changes to the staff in 05, that was his admission of what needed to be changed/fixed. and the decisions on who to hire were his, and they were his guys. he brings back CDC, and allows the hiring of Kurt Roper and made some changes in some position coaches.

at this point, and i said this when the changes were made, CPF will sink or swim with those decisions, cause they were HIS guys, HIS decisions. if they work, great, he made the right choices, if the don't work, well it's on him as well.

so far, less than enthused.
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very well said jakez, as usual. This topic has been beaten to death, but anyone in their right mind will admit both Cutcliffe and Sanders are very very good qb coaches. After that, their worth stock might go down a little bit. Cutcliffe the proof is out there. If Fulmer did have tight reins on Sanders (which I believe), we might never know for the kid from Mo-town.
 
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volfanbill said:
very well said jakez, as usual. This topic has been beaten to death, but anyone in their right mind will admit both Cutcliffe and Sanders are very very good qb coaches. After that, their worth stock might go down a little bit. Cutcliffe the proof is out there. If Fulmer did have tight reins on Sanders (which I believe), we might never know for the kid from Mo-town.
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Anyone is their right mind would call Sanders a very very good QB coach? Thats hilarious.
 
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Year G-GS Comp. Att. Int. Pct. Yds. TD Long
2004 7-1 54 88 1 61.4 492 2 52
2005 11-11 146 253 6 57.7 1,644 6 79
2006 13-13 264 419 7 63.0 3,515 31 80
Totals 31-25 464 760 14 61.1 5,651 39 80

that would be woodson's stats. Those numbers don't lie. So don't try to tell me that Sanders' hasn't helped mold him into an NFL-quality qb. He was and would have been an also ran qb had Sanders not helped him.
 
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therickbol said:
Are you kidding me? Good QB coach? No he was just as bad at both. He might have actually been a little better OC than QB coach if that is possible. He walked into UK under perfect timing. Woodson was going to be a very good QB before Sanders ever got there. Woodson is a tremendous talent that was very highly recruited. He has NFL talent. Sanders is certainly not responsible for his rise to stardom.

Ainge under Sanders vs. Ainge under Cutcliffe tells us everything we need to know about his QB coach skills.
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well forgive me, obviously, what you said is pure genius. who am i to let the facts get in the way of speculative statements such as this? and i guess you know this how? is there some alternate universe where you can see woodson play both with and without Sanders as his qb coach?

thanks for making this so easy.
therickbol said:
Anyone is their right mind would call Sanders a very very good QB coach? Thats hilarious.
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not near as funny as the conjecture that one can go back in to the past, remove parts of the present, and say the current results would be the same or better with those parts removed, and say it as if it were fact.

entertaining, you must have watched Journeyman last night huh?
 
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volfanbill said:
very well said jakez, as usual. This topic has been beaten to death, but anyone in their right mind will admit both Cutcliffe and Sanders are very very good qb coaches. After that, their worth stock might go down a little bit. Cutcliffe the proof is out there. If Fulmer did have tight reins on Sanders (which I believe), we might never know for the kid from Mo-town.
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i think that's part of it. i never bought that it was RS's offense we saw. it was pretty well documented that the two disagreed on who should have been the qb in 05, and if memory serves, CRS was frustrated at times with the "limitations" of the offense.

now, was a great OC? no. was it all on him? no.

either way, doesn't matter now. i for one am glad he's having some success in Lexington, and i will be right up until the point where it becomes detrimental to UTK should KY win this year.:p
 
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I think we are finding out now what we've aways known about Randy Sanders . . . He's a very good position coach who was probably in a little over his head as a coordinator.
 
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GAVol said:
I think we are finding out now what we've aways known about Randy Sanders . . . He's a very good position coach who was probably in a little over his head as a coordinator.
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Truth. As far as being a good QB coach, look at what he did with Casey Clausen. He made him a helluva QB. Clausen did not have the greatest physical attributes and Sanders made it work.
 
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justingroves said:
Truth. As far as being a good QB coach, look at what he did with Casey Clausen. He made him a helluva QB. Clausen did not have the greatest physical attributes and Sanders made it work.
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you couldn't be more correct justin. However, way too many on this board disagree with this and I feel another clausen debate coming on, and I will not participate.
 
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justingroves said:
Truth. As far as being a good QB coach, look at what he did with Casey Clausen. He made him a helluva QB. Clausen did not have the greatest physical attributes and Sanders made it work.
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...and look at what he did for us in the 90s coaching RB's.
 
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volfanbill said:
you couldn't be more correct justin. However, way too many on this board disagree with this and I feel another clausen debate coming on, and I will not participate.
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I cussed Casey while here was here. In hindsight, Casey was pretty damn good. But his fumbling snaps against UF and the UGA fumble just sticks out over his overall career here, which is why I think people dislike him.

I see both sides but 14-1 on the road and beating UF twice and Miami all on the road can't be argued with.
 
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GAVol said:
I think we are finding out now what we've aways known about Randy Sanders . . . He's a very good position coach who was probably in a little over his head as a coordinator.
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justingroves said:
Truth. As far as being a good QB coach, look at what he did with Casey Clausen. He made him a helluva QB. Clausen did not have the greatest physical attributes and Sanders made it work.
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GAVol said:
...and look at what he did for us in the 90s coaching RB's.
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well, i think that about clears that up.

all good points folks.
 
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