FSU Board of Trustees to start formally getting out of the ACC

[volbound1700]

I don't know of any legal "tampering with our conference members" agreement but I think the SEC or B1G would not be amused if FSU spilled info that they had an offer or a quid pro quo agreement with either one.

I'm sure there's been at least "what if" discussions but we'll be the last to know. After all, these admins are gentlemen.

Yeah, my point is that FSU has been "too loud" about it. That tends to go against the trend.

 

[LouderVol]

If I am the Big 12 I am giving them a call too. If they grabbed up the quality ACC schools, they would stabilize their conference. Give them a couple of playoff quality teams. vastly expand their TV access. and they could grab enough to make the old ACC schools the "east" while the old Big 12 schools were the "west". drives down travel costs, maintains some rivalries. the Big 12 will pay out more than the ACC does, even after the loss of Texas and Oklahoma.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yeah, my point is that FSU has been "too loud" about it. That tends to go against the trend.

It's no secret FSU has been seriously trying to get in the AAU. That's an obvious nod to the B1G.

Miami DID get in the AAU this year and the B1G getting in FL for TV and recruiting makes good sense. Miami and FSU would be solid choices for that.

On the other side, the SEC grabbing FSU and Miami to keep the B1G out of FL could be in the mix. Not that we WANT them, exactly, but we want the damn yankees to stay out of our backyard.

 

[volbound1700]

It's no secret FSU has been seriously trying to get in the AAU. That's an obvious nod to the B1G.

Miami DID get in the AAU this year and the B1G getting in FL for TV and recruiting makes good sense. Miami and FSU would be solid choices for that.

On the other side, the SEC grabbing FSU and Miami to keep the B1G out of FL could be in the mix. Not that we WANT them, exactly, but we want the damn yankees to stay out of our backyard.

I do think that FSU joining the B1G would be problematic to the SEC. Also with the Alabama vs. FSU playoff situation this season, it might have pushed FSU towards the B1G.

I am not sure if Miami moves the needle enough as they seem to be a forgotten program now with the low fan support but joining the B1G could give them new life.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I do think that FSU joining the B1G would be problematic to the SEC. Also with the Alabama vs. FSU playoff situation this season, it might have pushed FSU towards the B1G.

I am not sure if Miami moves the needle enough as they seem to be a forgotten program now with the low fan support but joining the B1G could give them new life.

I think FSU and UVA make more sense for the B1G but there's little doubt in my mind Miami got in the AAU to wave "we're here!"

All ACC teams have to be looking at what's next after the conference crumbles. I don't have a good idea for them and, other than blocking the B1G, I think the SEC should ignore them all.

 

[volbound1700]

I think FSU and UVA make more sense for the B1G but there's little doubt in my mind Miami got in the AAU to wave "we're here!"

All ACC teams have to be looking at what's next after the conference crumbles. I don't have a good idea for them and, other than blocking the B1G, I think the SEC should ignore them all.

I think both should say "no" right now. It doesn't make sense for either to expand right now. Better to wait until 2030s and get them as a deal. Also, by then, you will have more data on how their program has performed in CFB era.

 

[Pennheel]

I'm just awaiting all of these teams like Florida St. to join two mega conferences and be done with it in the next 5-10 years at this rate. You'll have the B1G and SEC have a monopoly on all the teams. At least it's starting to look like that.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I think both should say "no" right now. It doesn't make sense for either to expand right now. Better to wait until 2030s and get them as a deal. Also, by then, you will have more data on how their program has performed in CFB era.

Honestly, I'll be surprised if college football exists without being NFL-lite, players as employees, in 10 years. I'd love to be with wrong and I'll probably be drooling in my oatmeal and falling asleep on afternoon games by then anyway.

There's no need to expand the SEC again. Let's get a feel for the expanded playoffs and TX and OU first. The ACC failing isn't our problem and let's not make it our problem.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

It's no secret FSU has been seriously trying to get in the AAU. That's an obvious nod to the B1G.

Miami DID get in the AAU this year and the B1G getting in FL for TV and recruiting makes good sense. Miami and FSU would be solid choices for that.

On the other side, the SEC grabbing FSU and Miami to keep the B1G out of FL could be in the mix. Not that we WANT them, exactly, but we want the damn yankees to stay out of our backyard.

The AAU heavily weights research funding in their criteria and in terms of $, that means medical research. FSU’s problem in this regards is that their medical school isn’t rated as high as Miami or USF, both of which have recently gotten into AAU. I know for a fact that FSU was very unhappy that USF got in to AAU before them.

Just from a university culture aspect, I think FSU aligns better with the SEC and Miami with the Big10. But I doubt either school gets an invite to either conference anytime soon.

 

[hog88]

They will either lobby to become part of the B10 (12) or SEC. If SEC added FSU and either Miami, North Carolina or Clemson, the conference would only continue to strengthen and dominate.

It would dilute the product.

 

[hog88]

I've long opposed that but I think it's time to relent and be ok with FSU joining.

Miami is a different story. They lack any semblance of identity with SEC schools, at any level. They should never be allowed into the SEC.

How are they more lacking in semblance than MO, OK or TX? Especially MO and OK.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The AAU heavily weights research funding in their criteria and in terms of $, that means medical research. FSU’s problem in this regards is that their medical school isn’t rated as high as Miami or USF, both of which have recently gotten into AAU. I know for a fact that FSU was very unhappy that USF got in to AAU before them.

Just from a university culture aspect, I think FSU aligns better with the SEC and Miami with the Big10. But I doubt either school gets an invite to either conference anytime soon.

I agree. It's UNC and UVA that fit in the B1G, despite me typing otherwise before.

FSU is really a school without a home in some ways.

 

[05_never_again]

How are they more lacking in semblance than MO, OK or TX? Especially MO and OK.

UM as an institution is like if Vandy had a couple very distinct periods in their history where their football program was winning multiple national titles and had a Motley Crue-like fanbase. If you were creating the SEC today, or if Vandy was outside of the SEC today, they'd never, ever, be allowed in.

UM is a pretty small, academically-selective private school with an administration that doesn't really prioritize athletics. Any success they have in athletics is in spite of their administration. They don't have great fan support or fan culture. It's weird that they play their games off-campus in an NFL stadium.

@lawgator1 and @Lawrence Wright are closer to it, but that's how I've always assessed them. It's a very peculiar program/institution - there really isn't another program in CFB quite like them.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

UM as an institution is like if Vandy had a couple very distinct periods in their history where their football program was winning multiple national titles and had a Motley Crue-like fanbase. If you were creating the SEC today, or if Vandy was outside of the SEC today, they'd never, ever, be allowed in.

UM is a pretty small, academically-selective private school with an administration that doesn't really prioritize athletics. Any success they have in athletics is in spite of their administration. They don't have great fan support or fan culture. It's weird that they play their games off-campus in an NFL stadium.

@lawgator1 and @Lawrence Wright are closer to it, but that's how I've always assessed them. It's a very peculiar program/institution - there really isn't another program in CFB quite like them.

Who Miami fans blame for the downfall

 

[OldandStillaVol]

UM as an institution is like if Vandy had a couple very distinct periods in their history where their football program was winning multiple national titles and had a Motley Crue-like fanbase. If you were creating the SEC today, or if Vandy was outside of the SEC today, they'd never, ever, be allowed in.

UM is a pretty small, academically-selective private school with an administration that doesn't really prioritize athletics. Any success they have in athletics is in spite of their administration. They don't have great fan support or fan culture. It's weird that they play their games off-campus in an NFL stadium.

@lawgator1 and @Lawrence Wright are closer to it, but that's how I've always assessed them. It's a very peculiar program/institution - there really isn't another program in CFB quite like them.

All true but the one huge advantage UM has is that local high school football talent might be the best in the nation. So if they can dominate just their 100 mile radius in signing players, they will be nationally competitive.

 

[UTwild82]

Add FSU, UNC, Clemson, and UVA and be done. 20 teams is way too big, but it's inevitable. Let's at least keep it a Southern conference.

Let the Big Ten do whatever they want after that.

 

[volbound1700]

Honestly, I'll be surprised if college football exists without being NFL-lite, players as employees, in 10 years. I'd love to be with wrong and I'll probably be drooling in my oatmeal and falling asleep on afternoon games by then anyway.

There's no need to expand the SEC again. Let's get a feel for the expanded playoffs and TX and OU first. The ACC failing isn't our problem and let's not make it our problem.

It has been NFL lite for a while. Programs clearly cheat and some do more than others. At least NIL is putting it on an even playing field now and ending the charade. You can't tell me Alabama and Saban weren't cheating from 2007-2015 or so. Worse kept secret out there and NCAA did nothing about it. NCAA can only blame itself. NCAA's legal case before the courts was also horrible. Had NCAA allowed money for the minor living expenses that they docked schools on and been truly even handed with willingness to go after even the big money making programs, we wouldn't be here. The NCAA's dealing out of punishments was uneven as well and often punished the wrong programs or wrong coaches, etc.

This has all been building up since the Supreme Court cases that allowed schools to negotiate their own Television rights in the 1980s.

 

[volbound1700]

Add FSU, UNC, Clemson, and UVA and be done. 20 teams is way too big, but it's inevitable. Let's at least keep it a Southern conference.

Let the Big Ten do whatever they want after that.

I think we are heading towards a AFC/NFC type split with B1G and SEC. I think they should both grow big and then split into divisions. These divisions would recreate the regional conferences we miss so much (although in smaller variety). B1G should go ahead and add both Cal and Stanford and then create a West Coast division among the 6 schools out there. SEC can create a mini-Big12 by adding Oklahoma State and Kansas and put them with our 4 other former Big 12 teams.

 

[hog88]

Who Miami fans blame for the downfall
View attachment 603977

If they can get rid of that useless windbag UM could quickly be back to the U of the 80s-90s.

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

If you want to put your tin foul hat on, FSU agreed to be left out of the CFP to use as leverage to leave the ACC, and we’ll soon see a mass exodus of the top ACC schools leaving for the SEC and the ACC will suffer a PAC-12-like death, leaving the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12 with enough power to leave the NCAA.

Not that I believe it, but it would be funny to watch.

 

[VolNExile]

Could have named the thread: “FSU formally starts the process to rename ACC to the Bi-Coastal League sucking in money making sports”

BCLSIMMS

"Bickle-sims?"

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

I think we are heading towards a AFC/NFC type split with B1G and SEC. I think they should both grow big and then split into divisions. These divisions would recreate the regional conferences we miss so much (although in smaller variety). B1G should go ahead and add both Cal and Stanford and then create a West Coast division among the 6 schools out there. SEC can create a mini-Big12 by adding Oklahoma State and Kansas and put them with our 4 other former Big 12 teams.

I agree that we're headed towards two mega conferences but, whether you want to look at it as Big Ten/SEC contraction or the creation of a new entity, I don't think every team makes it. Not sure how this would affect basketball, baseball and the Olympic sports, but at some point we're going to see the lesser teams get dropped. If it's about profit maximization, what's the purpose in having two Mississippi/Kansas/Iowa schools? Do Vanderbilt and Northwestern really add anything? Wake Forest is an afterthought, as is Georgia Tech.

I have no idea of the "final number" since you do need enough teams covering enough regions to maintain appeal (keeping in mind that a massive chunk of the mountain states are bolstered by upstart Boise and perpetually-forgotten Wyo), but 24 seems a bit light and 48 means plenty of afterthought schools included so I wouldn't be surprised to see it at 28, 32 or 36 once the dust settles.

 

[volbound1700]

I agree that we're headed towards two mega conferences but, whether you want to look at it as Big Ten/SEC contraction or the creation of a new entity, I don't think every team makes it. Not sure how this would affect basketball, baseball and the Olympic sports, but at some point we're going to see the lesser teams get dropped. If it's about profit maximization, what's the purpose in having two Mississippi/Kansas/Iowa schools? Do Vanderbilt and Northwestern really add anything? Wake Forest is an afterthought, as is Georgia Tech.

I have no idea of the "final number" since you do need enough teams covering enough regions to maintain appeal (keeping in mind that a massive chunk of the mountain states are bolstered by upstart Boise and perpetually-forgotten Wyo), but 24 seems a bit light and 48 means plenty of afterthought schools included so I wouldn't be surprised to see it at 28, 32 or 36 once the dust settles.

Agree, that is why the NEW Big12 is 6 teams and NOT 12. You cut Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor, Colorado, and Texas Tech from the original group.

While Pac12 cut Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, Washington State, and Utah.

Basically weaker programs in the list and keep the stronger programs.

ACC would contract in same way. Only leagues that are safe are B1G and SEC but how long they hold onto their dead weights (like Vandy in the SEC) is to be seen.

Cal, Stanford, Kansas, and Oklahoma State all bring some value. Plus you would get major rivals back. Basically if you added Okie State and Kansas, all the Big12 rivalries (except Nebraska-OU) with the SEC members are in place. No one cared about Texas vs. Texas Tech or TCU vs. Oklahoma, etc.

Basically regional 6-team divisions that bring back a condense version of the older leagues.

 

[mackievol]

FSU is stuck...paying 20+ million fee to the ACC if they left. Sad part, some idiot st FSU signed this agreement

 

[GroverCleveland]

Interesting. Had heard earlier in the week that FSU planned on filing suit against the ACC tomorrow. This move seems to support that rumor.