Frank Beamer = Phil Fulmer

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Both would be better options then our current clown? Seriously though he is more like Bobby Bowden. VT had zero program until he got there
 
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Both damn good coaches. Unfortunately the college football world is about unrealistic goals every year.
 
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I see the parallel you're going for. But, Beamer completely built that program and has set THE entire standard for them. While Tennessee is a historic national powerhouse and the Fulmer era is just a great chapter within our overall success that ended poorly.
 
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I don't really see the connection. Beamer's teams are known for their style of play, which is rather unique. He used that style to build quite a program at Va Tech. Before he got there, they didn't have much of anything. 3 conference championships in their entire history before Beamer (2 of those coming before 1920).

Fulmer on the other hand, inherited a program in pretty good shape, with the mission to get them over the hump and compete for/win a national championship. He did. He wasn't distinguished by a particular style of playing (unless "conservative" is a style). He was more distinguished by the great recruiting he did and the great players he brought into his program.

Of course, Fulmer got lazy at the end of his career and saw steadily declining results to the point that he couldn't beat any good coach in his conference. Beamer is in the middle of a bad season, his first in 8 years. But it remains to be seen if he'll let his program fall into steady decline over many seasons or predictably lose to each major rival year after year in increasingly embarrassing fashion like Fulmer.
 
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volsdeepinva said:
I see the parallel you're going for. But, Beamer completely built that program and has set THE entire standard for them. While Tennessee is a historic national powerhouse and the Fulmer era is just a great chapter within our overall success that ended poorly.
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I respectfully disagree. The Fulmer era is not "just another chapter." Neyland brought us to relevance for the first time and kept us there, but after that, we were for the most part mediocre except for the late 60s and early 70s and parts of the 80s. The period from 94 to 07, save a few bad years such as 05 (but even then we beat a very good LSU team in Baton Rouge), represents a sustained period of relevance the likes of which we will never see again.
 
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#1DicksonVolFan said:
I respectfully disagree. The Fulmer era is not "just another chapter." Neyland brought us to relevance for the first time and kept us there, but after that, we were for the most part mediocre except for the late 60s and early 70s and parts of the 80s. The period from 94 to 07, save a few bad years such as 05 (but even then we beat a very good LSU team in Baton Rouge), represents a sustained period of relevance the likes of which we will never see again.
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Unfortunately, you are spot-on.
 
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Got way too much of a fat turkey neck, Fulmer on had 2 chins.....
 
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volsdeepinva said:
I see the parallel you're going for. But, Beamer completely built that program and has set THE entire standard for them. While Tennessee is a historic national powerhouse and the Fulmer era is just a great chapter within our overall success that ended poorly.
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Who said it ended? ESPN? It ain't over.
 
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Sorry a little buzzed. I thought you meant TN was done, not the Fulmer era. my bad
 
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I hate Va. Tech. They can't lose enough to make me happy. If they get rid of Beamer they will regret it. He's a class guy and has built a strong program. (as much as I hate to say it)
 
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Bud foster is to frank Beemer as Dave cutcliff was to Phil . And IMO if Phil and Dave would have played big east , acc we would have been champs year after year and Phil would have retired not been fired!
 
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volsdeepinva said:
I see the parallel you're going for. But, Beamer completely built that program and has set THE entire standard for them. While Tennessee is a historic national powerhouse and the Fulmer era is just a great chapter within our overall success that ended poorly.
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The General is untouchable.


Now, having said that, Fulmer is by far more accomplished than Beamer. In a much better league too. UT had history but Fulmer enhanced it. Top five in the history of the league in wins. 6 East titles. 2 SEC titles. First BCS crown. Multiple first round picks. Record setting OC before all of that. Good line coach before that. 7 year win streak on Bama. Only 2 losing years out of 17 seasons in the best conference in the land. Beamer plays nobody in a nobody league and has relatively few accomplishments that compare. Not close in my opinion. At all.
 
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uhhhhh......no. Beamer is HOF material already he built that program. Not going to compare him now to Fulmers decline years.Trying to compare a coach against his competition in one conference vs another coach and his conference competition is apples and oranges He is having one bad season in last ten years.
Over the last ten seasons he is 22-18 vs ranked teams.
2003 Virginia Tech 8–5 4–3 4th L Insight
Virginia Tech Hokies (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2004–present)
2004 Virginia Tech 10–3 7–1 1st L Sugar† 10 10
2005 Virginia Tech 11–2 7–1 1st (Coastal) W Gator 7 7
2006 Virginia Tech 10–3 6–2 2nd (Coastal) L Chick-fil-A 18 19
2007 Virginia Tech 11–3 7–1 1st (Coastal) L Orange† 9 9
2008 Virginia Tech 10–4 5–3 T–1st (Coastal) W Orange† 14 15
2009 Virginia Tech 10–3 6–2 2nd (Coastal) W Chick-fil-A 10 10
2010 Virginia Tech 11–3 8–0 1st (Coastal) L Orange† 15 16
2011 Virginia Tech 11–3 7–1 1st (Coastal) L Sugar† 17 21
2012 Virginia Tech 4–4 2–2 (Coastal)
At the end of each line is final ranking
He is 59-16 in conference during that time
 
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Right. In the big bad.... what league is that again? Thanks for playing. Richt is a better comparison than Fulmer for Beamer. Phil is upper echelon in the SEC. In many categories.
 
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#22
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Phil Fulmer - Peyton Manning
Frank Beamer - Michael Vick

Mentioning Frank Beamer at the same level as Phil Fulmer is shameful.
Beamer has done a good job at a nice quiet school outside the spotlight of football.
Fulmer did a great job under the intense spotlight of the SEC.
Beamer is adored by the fans. Fulmer was obscenely berated by many of the fans.
Beamer took Kiffin to the woodshed. It's a shame Monte Kiffin didn't do that to the little brat.
Fulmer AND Beamer are class acts. Both deserve their recognition. It is not at the same level.
 
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I reedited it to make clearer. Not touting ACC or bashing Fulmer. Just can not compare Beamers bad year and Fulmer. I look at a coaches success in their own leagues.
They are both great coaches
 
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This a thread that did not need to be started. Just because Beamer is 4-4 does not mean he is going down the hole.
 
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