Four Vols invited to NFL Combine

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114VOL said:
You shouldn't talk down to anyone. There's absolutely NO ONE who says Dobbs is going to be a superstar

Wake up. He was third string and never smelled the field during the regular season.
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And? I've never argued that there are opeople saying Dobbs is gonna a superstar. That prediction is all me. Which is why once it becomes true I will be a genius.
 
#52
#52
114VOL said:
How do you go from being an average, at best, DB in college to "one of the best" in the NFL?

You use the word "great" far too often
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There was nothing "average" about Rashaan Gaulden during his time at Tennessee. He was a great player. One of the top nickel corners in the country according to Pro Football Focus last year.

Rashaan Gaulden will be a great player in the NFL. You can bank on it. He'll be regarded as one of the best nickel corners throughout his stellar career.
 
#53
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
There was nothing "average" about Rashaan Gaulden during his time at Tennessee. He was a great player. One of the top nickel corners in the country according to Pro Football Focus last year.

Rashaan Gaulden will be a great player in the NFL. You can bank on it. He'll be regarded as one of the best nickel corners throughout his stellar career.
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Gil, Gil, Gil....adding to your sycophantic repertoire I see.
 
#55
#55
From Chris Landry...

Tennessee RB John Kelly is a potential draft sleeper. Kelly (5’9/212) doesn’t have the talent of an Alvin Kamara, but like several other Tennessee running backs before him, he has a chance to be a better pro than he was in college. Kelly is an explosive playmaker who was criminally underused by the Vols, and his versatile skill set still allowed him to tally over 1,000 total yards and nine touchdowns in 2017. He currently projects as a late Day 3 selection, but a strong pro day and showing at the combine could see that stock rise.
 
#56
#56
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I love that you once again ignored the difference between a 1-technique and a 3-technique.

But go ahead and make yourself look unknowledgeable about the simplest football concepts.

Kahlil is a 1-technique. On first and second down his job was to protect his gaps in the run game while holding up against double teams to free up teammates for opportunities to make tackles in the open field. A dirty job with no recognition on the stat sheet and little love during the broadcast. His job isn't to make plays in the backfield which you keep assuming. And on 3rd down his job is to get inside pressure up the middle so that the QB can't step up into the pocket after the defensive ends crash the edges. Kahlil actually did a good job of this the last 2 years.

There's a reason Pro Football Focus gave him high grades. They actually watched the tape and understand football. Something you clearly don't since you except Kahlil to perform like a 3-technique by shooting the gap to get pressure in the backfield on run plays.
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I ignore your stupidity about my supposed not knowing the different between 1 and 3 techniques for a DT because it’s completely ludicrous and you just made it up. It’s amazing to me that you think KMac spent the majority of his time in Tennessee’s 4-3 defense at Tennessee lined up at nose over the center. It’s BS. And no matter where KMac lined up at Tennessee, over center or over the outside shoulder of a guard, his tape shows he can’t get penetration, has no burst, and is no more than a “plugger”/run stopper in the DL of one of the worst DLs at stopping the run in program, conference and national college football history. Of our 3 underclassmen who have declared for the draft, he’s the clearcut favorite to be drafted last among the 3 or not be drafted at all.
 
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#57
#57
Kelly and Gaulden are gonna be steals for a team in the later rounds. Gauldens up side is pretty high
 
#59
#59
KBVol said:
I ignore your stupidity about my supposed not knowing the different between 1 and 3 techniques for a DT because it’s completely ludicrous and you just made it up. It’s amazing to me that you think KMac spent the majority of his time in Tennessee’s 4-3 defense at Tennessee lined up at nose over the center. It’s BS.
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I could see the argument that Mackenzie's true position is at nose tackle in a 3-4, and that he should be compared against other 1 technique tackles. It would also be a further indictment of Butch Jones that he tried to shoehorn a player into playing against his natural position.

However, the fact is (as you pointed out), that Mackenzie rarely lined up at the nose in college, and wasn't all that effective when he did; he was no more effective as a 1 than he was as a 3. To suggest that one can adequately judge his performance as a 1 technique is insane.

Even playing DT in a 4-3, the guy rarely got decent leverage, almost never reset the line of scrimmage, and didn't eat up blockers. Teams with even above average interior linemen rarely felt the need to double team Mackenzie, allowing centers and guards to get up to the next level to put a hat on a linebacker. If D4H is going to argue that Mackenzie should be judged as a space eater, then by all means... he wasn't very good at it.
 
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bamawriter said:
I could see the argument that Mackenzie's true position is at nose tackle in a 3-4, and that he should be compared against other 1 technique tackles. It would also be a further indictment of Butch Jones that he tried to shoehorn a player into playing against his natural position.

However, the fact is (as you pointed out), that Mackenzie rarely lined up at the nose in college, and wasn't all that effective when he did; he was no more effective as a 1 than he was as a 3. To suggest that one can adequately judge his performance as a 1 technique is insane.

Even playing DT in a 4-3, the guy rarely got decent leverage, almost never reset the line of scrimmage, and didn't eat up blockers. Teams with even above average interior linemen rarely felt the need to double team Mackenzie, allowing centers and guards to get up to the next level to put a hat on a linebacker. If D4H is going to argue that Mackenzie should be judged as a space eater, then by all means... he wasn't very good at it.
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Don’t disagree that 1 technique NT is likely his “best” position/opportunity to play football for a living....and God knows he showed that playing 3 technique DT for 3 years at UT isn’t.

Problem is, he played 3 technique 99% of the time at Tennessee and was bad. What you laid out here is 100% spot on. Perhaps he gets in a great spot, some one (dear old Dad?) takes a chance on him in free agency or in the 6th-7th round and he finds a secondary role for a team. But nothing he did at Tennessee suggests he’ll stick/succeed in the nfl.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
All 4 will be great pros. Rashaan Gaulden will be one of the best nickel corners in the NFL for a long time. John Kelly will be a pro-bowl RB. Trevor Daniel will be a stud punter. And Kahlil McKenzie will be a solid 10-year starter at DT.

There are no Alvin Kamara/Josh Dobbs caliber SUPERSTARS in this group. But a lot of really good NFL players who will play for a very long time.
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Kmac will not be.
 
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