For those saying Fire Debord

#27
#27
BSAvol said:
I am completely content in life: being a middle class sort of guy. I wouldn't dream of riches to make me happy. Having said that; I would love to have the voice of a booster. I would love the opportunity to be in CBJ's face saying this **** is not getting it done! You better get your a** in gear or "we" will replace you (and this sorry offensive scheme) with another coach who will deliver results.

Allowing 24 points from this USCe team is unacceptable.
Putting up no more than 21 points, on this sorry USCe team, is unacceptable.

This is one point in life that I wish I were wealthy enough to be a UT booster.
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Me and you both
 
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#29
#29
JohnMcA60 said:
Oh I'm not denying that at all. Give me Les Miles, Tom Herman, P.J Fleck, or somebody at HC then
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Well, I think it will come to that but not next year. I think last year / this year are the peak for CBJ. Appreciate what he has done to get us out of the gutter but he's never going to compete for SEC championships.
 
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#31
#31
OldandStillaVol said:
Well, I think it will come to that but not next year. I think last year / this year are the peak for CBJ. Appreciate what he has done to get us out of the gutter but he's never going to compete for SEC championships.
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It's time to move on. I hope the administration sees the ceiling has been reached with nothing to show for it.
 
#33
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warhammer said:
Year four with upperclassmen means execution falls on the staff.
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I think a tell-tale sign will be what happens after the season. If you see talented players who are willing to transfer to get out of this system then there is a problem. Couple that with those that will leave early for the draft and this team could be in trouble.

Body language tells me not everyone is buying in to what's being sold. Preston Williams may have seen the writing on the wall (just a guess as I don't know what his situation was).
 
#34
#34
I tend to agree that this O is Butch's baby. When both the play calling and QB are predictable, it's not going to successful regardless of the offensive style.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Its easy to do that. Jones isnt a D guy. The offense is his own child. Hes not going to throw out his own baby and adopt a new one
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Really depends on who the new AD is and how dedicated to success they are.
 
#38
#38
Sadly, the OP is correct...and that doesn't bode well for UT football. I think Jones has done a tremendous job in many key areas as he's rebuilt our program, but this offense may be the albatross that drags him down and holds us back from being all we could be.

Looking back to DeBord's introductory press conference, here's some of what Jones had to say about the hire & his offense:

"The real reason why we're here today obviously is the hiring of our offensive coordinator in Mike DeBord. Just like in recruiting we had a profile that we were looking for in our offensive coordinator. You heard me talk about the right fit. That term is all encompassing for what we were looking for. In not any one particular order but first of all was knowledge and experience. I wanted an individual who could walk into the room and fix the problems of the entire offense, know what they're looking for. That knowledge and experience was a big factor in this hiring...

I also wanted an individual who had been around the development of quarterbacks, who could develop quarterbacks. But also I want a multi-positional development. An individual who, over the course of their career had worked with numerous positions on offense. I just think that in order to fix the problems and correct the problems and continue to grow and develop as an offensive staff I needed somebody who was an expert in all those phases and different positions in playing offensive football.

Then I wanted creativity. I wanted an individual who could be on the cutting edge of playing football, that had creativity whether it's formations, whether it's personnel groupings, whether it's motions, whether its blocking angles, whether it's run schemes. There's a lot that goes into defining creativity. One of the interview questions I asked Mike was about creativity and he gave the NFL answer that I was hoping for. Part of creativity is creating match ups, creating one-on-one match ups. Getting our best player and letting them go to work and being able to put them around the field to force those one-on-one matchups. That's something that he took from Mike Holmgren and a number of other coaches he has obviously worked for throughout his career.

... I wanted an individual who could come in, understand our terminology system, understand our coaching staff, and look to enhance our offense, not rebuild our offense. Our offense does not need to be rebuilt. It needs to be enhanced. I think a lot of people don't understand. It takes continuity, it takes consistency to win. For us, being in year three of our football program, to bring in an entire new offensive system. Not only is it new for the coaches and how they're teaching it, it's new for your players. So at this time of the year it's all about skill development and working on being a fundamentalist and improving the fine details of your game. Now all of a sudden you're installing a new offense and that's extremely, extremely challenging. I didn't want to go down that path.

I hear the term spread offense. If anybody can give me the definition of spread offense I'm all up for it. I think it's the most misused term in all of football. I think it rivals the term of the west coast offense. I don't know if people think you're in the gun, you're a spread offense. I don't know if its personnel. I don't know if it's no-huddle. If you remember on December seventh when I stepped forward to that podium and the question was asked about your offensive system, I said we're going to be an up-tempo, no-huddle offense that could control the tempo and be a pro-style offense with the ability to gain advantages through motions, through shifts, through speed, through play of our pace. The ability to create space and pace but also the ability to run the football..."
DeBord Introductory Press Conference - University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site

And from Jones' introductory press conference in Dec. 2012:

(On his style of play)
"We have won four championships in four years. I think that first, we are going to be a team that takes care of the football. If you look at the greatest stat as far as wins and losses, it is turnover margin.

"Offensively, we are going to be a team that takes care of the football. We are going to run a no-huddle offense. I don't like to use the term "spread," because I think that the word "finesse" is associated with that. We are going to be a physical style of offense and be a pro-style offense."
Jones Press Conference Transcript - University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site

Only 3 teams have had more turnovers than Tennessee this season.
 
#40
#40
Count, the biggest problem is that if he goes the Clawson route and hires someone outside his wheel house, it would probably be 2008 all over again. I honestly think that at this point in year 4 it all points at Butch. He's pretty much got all his players in place, but can't take that next step here at UT. The even sadder part is that he has essentially the same nucleus of coaches he started with here at UT, and it looks like they have regressed since they arrived. I can also say the lack of a true QB coach is something that is very haunting to Butch right now, especially considering that Dobbs is really smart and can't throw a lick. I think a QB coach would have helped him tremendously in the long run, but unfortunately Lyle didn't seem to think he needed one. The defense is also not helped by our putrid offense and its turnovers either. I would say we could be a Top 50 defense easily if the offense helped them out, and we didn't look like The Walking Dead.
 
#41
#41
A head coach should hire the best coordinators he can find and stay the hell out of the way, basically. It's not about who you feel comfortable with. Miles just got fired because his offense suxed for years and he yet he kept Cameron and wouldn't replace him. You think Saban likes Kiffin? I don't--he certainly doesn't act like it. But he knows Kiffin can coach. Who's a better OC--Kiffin or Debord? You go out and get the best you can find and let them do their thing. Fulmer should have sacked Sanders after three years as it was OBVIOUS that our offense was a mess and getting worse every year. Fulmer stuck with him and the program spiraled badly and we STILL haven't recovered. DeBord needs to be let go and a new OC with some chops brought in....
 
#42
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CountVolcula said:
Debord is not the entire problem.

Debord was hired by Butch Jones because Debord was familiar with the type of Offense Jones ran. It was familiar to what Jones ran as an offensive coordinator at Central Michigan under Debord

Jones has tweaked it some, but its basically the same. The offense WILL NOT change with a new OC. Its what Bajakian called and its what Debord has called. You only have to work with the calls that are in the playbook. If the plays are flawed and the blocking schemes that go with them, the play will fail

Jones will not give up on his offense. He is too proud. He has called it infallible. He has said so many times to fans and reporters that "we dont understand it". By him hiring an OC to run their own offense means we were right and his system failed. WILL NOT HAPPEN

Jones will have to go before a new offensive style shows up in Knoxville.
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And you would be wrong. Many colleges run the same system. It starts and ends with play calling. Debord is predictable, uses his talent incorrectly (Hurd east and west) and has failed to develop Dobbs ability to pass.

Fire OL Coach, Fire QB Intern. Move Debord to OL and bring in a qualified OC / QB coach.
 
#43
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Spawn said:
And you would be wrong. Many colleges run the same system. It starts and ends with play calling. Debord is predictable, uses his talent incorrectly (Hurd east and west) and has failed to develop Dobbs ability to pass.

Fire OL Coach, Fire QB Intern. Move Debord to OL and bring in a qualified OC / QB coach.
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Absolutely correct on all except keeping Debord for OL. Our line has not improved substantially albeit being a year more experienced.
 
#44
#44
So here is my issue with firing debord, what high profile OC is going to come in knowing that our fan base isn't happy with Butch and we are putting him on the hot seat. If that offense doesn't work year 1 then we will be calling for Butch to be fired along with most the staff. Letting Debord, Mahoney, Martinez and Azzani go just gives Butch a couple more years as the head coach at UT to again prove to be mediocre.

The OC should have been brought in this year along with Shoop and they would have 2 years to prove they can turn this ship around.

Take the hit and let's get this fixed now and get the right head coach.
 
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#46
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GwinnettVol21 said:
So here is my issue with firing debord, what high profile OC is going to come in knowing that our fan base isn't happy with Butch and we are putting him on the hot seat. If that offense doesn't work year 1 then we will be calling for Butch to be fired along with most the staff. Letting Debord, Mahoney, Martinez and Azzani go just gives Butch a couple more years as the head coach at UT to again prove to be mediocre.

The OC should have been brought in this year along with Shoop and they would have 2 years to prove they can turn this ship around.

Take the hit and let's get this fixed now and get the right head coach.
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Probably right!
 
#47
#47
He'll have to abandon it if he wants to keep his job.

His offensive woes have been exposed.
 
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