For those blaming Cheney

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I’ve seen opinions blasted all over VN about the play calling this year. From “He doesn’t know what a slant is” to “ Run, run, pass on third and long”.
I agree the play calling has been terrible but put yourself in his shoes. You have a defensive coordinator telling you who your qb WILL be. You know said qb is limited and has never been good throwing to the middle of the field or beyond 10 yards. What do you do? Well...... you build your plan around what he does well. You keep most routes within 10 yards and outside the hash’s. You can’t throw many passes that way because you can’t use the middle of the field at any level which eliminates slants, digs, posts or anything “in” breaking. You can’t call outside breaking routes beyond 10 yards which eliminates flag routes and deep outs. On top of all the above you still have that same defensive coordinator micromanaging your every move that absolutely DESPISES turn overs. All the above is a recipe for “run, ,run, pass” and failure.

Now before you go thinking THIS year has been a carbon copy of last and the game has passed him by, take some time and rewatch last years games. You may find that you’re just jaded from what’s fresh in your mind.

In 2019 He tried to open up the playbook vs GAST and JG stunk it up. He tried again vs BYU and JG stunk it up. At that point I think he learned/confirmed what JG is and what he could/couldn’t do which is listed in the first paragraph. But Pruitt, being as stubborn as he is refused to make a change. He went conservative against UF as a result and has stayed that way with JG every since.

However, here’s the proof that CHANEY is not the problem. Once a change was finally made, all of a sudden slants were a huge part of the game plans. Deep routes became a norm and chunk plays became common. Maurer threw slants, outs, seems and gos on a regular basis. He used all three levels as well. Suddenly Chaney’s game plans went from a conservative run based attack to a wide open pass based attack.

I think emotions of what we see this year has interfered with what we know to be true if you only think back or rewatch. Chaney WILL adjust to his qbs strengths. He’s proven it. He’s just limited by what his boss is forcing him to do.
 
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Who's Cheney?.........may be part of the problem as I thought Chaney was our OC this whole time. Not sure if we got duped kinda like when you have the little Chinese lady come up to you in New York or the like and offer you a Prada purse for the wife and you think you've scored a great deal thats going to make her happy and its actually a Prata purse?
 
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I’ve seen opinions blasted all over VN about the play calling this year. From “He doesn’t know what a slant is” to “ Run, run, pass on third and long”.
I agree the play calling has been terrible but put yourself in his shoes. You have a defensive coordinator telling you who your qb WILL be. You know said qb is limited and has never been good throwing to the middle of the field or beyond 10 yards. What do you do? Well...... you build your plan around what he does well. You keep most routes within 10 yards and outside the hash’s. You can’t throw many passes that way because you can’t use the middle of the field at any level which eliminates slants, digs, posts or anything “in” breaking. You can’t call outside breaking routes beyond 10 yards which eliminates flag routes and deep outs. On top of all the above you still have that same defensive coordinator micromanaging your every move that absolutely DESPISES turn overs. All the above is a recipe for “run, ,run, pass” and failure.

Now before you go thinking THIS year has been a carbon copy of last and the game has passed him by, take some time and rewatch last years games. You may find that you’re just jaded from what’s fresh in your mind.

In 2019 He tried to open up the playbook vs GAST and JG stunk it up. He tried again vs BYU and JG stunk it up. At that point I think he learned/confirmed what JG is and what he could/couldn’t do which is listed in the first paragraph. But Pruitt, being as stubborn as he is refused to make a change. He went conservative against UF as a result and has stayed that way with JG every since.

However, here’s the proof that CHENEY is not the problem. Once a change was finally made, all of a sudden slants were a huge part of the game plans. Deep routes became a norm and chunk plays became common. Maurer threw slants, outs, seems and gos on a regular basis. He used all three levels as well. Suddenly Cheney’s game plans went from a conservative run based attack to a wide open pass based attack.

I think emotions of what we see this year has interfered with what we know to be true if you only think back or rewatch. Cheney WILL adjust to his qbs strengths. He’s proven it. He’s just limited by what his boss is forcing him to do.


What was your point again?
 
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Who's Cheney?.........may be part of the problem as I thought Chaney was our OC this whole time. Not sure if we got duped kinda like when you have the little Chinese lady come up to you in New York or the like and offer you a Prada purse for the wife and you think you've scored a great deal thats going to make her happy and its actually a Prata purse?
My bad. I’ll change it for the grammar police.
 
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OCJC knows you play your best QB.
They are not interchangeable like DBs and LBs.
He is a better coach than CJP.
Undefeated as UT HC.
Regardless of your thoughts on career coordinators, some like Chief and OCJC have made a pile of money in the coaching profession.
 
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If Chaney is fired and chooses to coach again... he will have no problem finding an OC job. If Pruitt is fired... there's a good chance he will never get a HC shot again or at least not at this level.

Sadly, it amazes me that our last 2 and more than likely this coach will not/have not get/gotten another HC shot but yet Tennessee gives them a chance. I just dont understand.........no offense to places like Rice, Connecticut, UTEP, etc whom I would understand hiring the up and comers, but I just dont get what we're thinking with these bargain bin hires except money. But even then, adjust for inflation and I guarantee you that our winning days in the late 80's to early 2000's brought in the most revenue ever in Tennessee footballs history. (that inc. tickets, merchandise, tv payouts, etc.)
 
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I’ve seen opinions blasted all over VN about the play calling this year. From “He doesn’t know what a slant is” to “ Run, run, pass on third and long”.
I agree the play calling has been terrible but put yourself in his shoes. You have a defensive coordinator telling you who your qb WILL be. You know said qb is limited and has never been good throwing to the middle of the field or beyond 10 yards. What do you do? Well...... you build your plan around what he does well. You keep most routes within 10 yards and outside the hash’s. You can’t throw many passes that way because you can’t use the middle of the field at any level which eliminates slants, digs, posts or anything “in” breaking. You can’t call outside breaking routes beyond 10 yards which eliminates flag routes and deep outs. On top of all the above you still have that same defensive coordinator micromanaging your every move that absolutely DESPISES turn overs. All the above is a recipe for “run, ,run, pass” and failure.

Now before you go thinking THIS year has been a carbon copy of last and the game has passed him by, take some time and rewatch last years games. You may find that you’re just jaded from what’s fresh in your mind.

In 2019 He tried to open up the playbook vs GAST and JG stunk it up. He tried again vs BYU and JG stunk it up. At that point I think he learned/confirmed what JG is and what he could/couldn’t do which is listed in the first paragraph. But Pruitt, being as stubborn as he is refused to make a change. He went conservative against UF as a result and has stayed that way with JG every since.

However, here’s the proof that CHANEY is not the problem. Once a change was finally made, all of a sudden slants were a huge part of the game plans. Deep routes became a norm and chunk plays became common. Maurer threw slants, outs, seems and gos on a regular basis. He used all three levels as well. Suddenly Chaney’s game plans went from a conservative run based attack to a wide open pass based attack.

I think emotions of what we see this year has interfered with what we know to be true if you only think back or rewatch. Chaney WILL adjust to his qbs strengths. He’s proven it. He’s just limited by what his boss is forcing him to do.
How do you know all of these things? I read another 'insider' who said JG is actually Chaney's man--Chaney has been the one supporting him all along and Pruitt was just going along with it because Chaney's the OC. So many presumptions and guesswork. All a bunch of speculation.
 
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Sadly, it amazes me that our last 2 and more than likely this coach will not/have not get/gotten another HC shot but yet Tennessee gives them a chance. I just dont understand.........no offense to places like Rice, Connecticut, UTEP, etc but I just dont get what we're thinking with these bargain bin hires except money. But even then, adjust for inflation and I guarantee you that our winning days in the late 80's to early 2000's brought in more revenue ever in Tennessee footballs history. (that inc. tickets, merchandise, tv payouts, etc.)
Well there is a school of thought that would point to the fact that Meyer was "discovered" at Bowling Green and that Ryan Day was a long time assistant at high level programs before being OSU's HC. OTOH, you also see coaches in high demand like Sumlin get their "shot" and wilt.

I'm not sure what the right answer is altogether. But you have to make good hires... on time. UT might be able to give Pruitt next year but if he's kept with anything other than a "miracle" year in which UT wins 9 or 10 regular season games and competes with everyone... he has to go or the program will sink in a big, big hurry.
 
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How do you know all of these things? I read another 'insider' who said JG is actually Chaney's man--Chaney has been the one supporting him all along and Pruitt was just going along with it because Chaney's the OC. So many presumptions and guesswork. All a bunch of speculation.
Don't know who that insider is but it would be contrary to Chaney's history.
 
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How do you know all of these things? I read another 'insider' who said JG is actually Chaney's man--Chaney has been the one supporting him all along and Pruitt was just going along with it because Chaney's the OC. So many presumptions and guesswork. All a bunch of speculation.
I admit I don't read every thread here but this is literally the first time I've heard this.
 
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There’s no chance it’s Chaney’s fault. Pruitt is micromanaging everything. You could tell right from the beginning (literally the first press conference) that Pruitt wasn’t an intelligent guy. But you at least hoped he’d be smart enough to stay out of the offensive room. But nope!
 
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How do you know all of these things? I read another 'insider' who said JG is actually Chaney's man--Chaney has been the one supporting him all along and Pruitt was just going along with it because Chaney's the OC. So many presumptions and guesswork. All a bunch of speculation.
Your “insider” may not be as “inside” as he makes himself/herself out to be. If you read the body of what I wrote it’s all true and based on actual events that took place just last year. If JG was Chaney’s guy then why was he so much more aggressive with Maurer and so conservative with JG? There’s only two reasons to be conservative on offense in today’s game. 1) You’re stuck in yesteryear and too stubborn to realize the game has evolved. In which case you wouldn’t be coaching in today’s game at all. Or 2) You don’t trust your qb to play in today’s level of play. I vote the latter.
 
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Well there is a school of thought that would point to the fact that Meyer was "discovered" at Bowling Green and that Ryan Day was a long time assistant at high level programs before being OSU's HC. OTOH, you also see coaches in high demand like Sumlin get their "shot" and wilt.

I'm not sure what the right answer is altogether. But you have to make good hires... on time. UT might be able to give Pruitt next year but if he's kept with anything other than a "miracle" year in which UT wins 9 or 10 regular season games and competes with everyone... he has to go or the program will sink in a big, big hurry.

Yeah, I get what you're saying I still just dont get the hires in the sense that even after Kiffin left, we were easily one of, if not THE #1 vacancy that year. There should have been proven head coaches at other schools (possibly even SEC schools, lower tier) clamoring to be here. Why we went with Dooley outside of his dad's namesake I just.......I dont know....dont get it I guess. Even Pruitt admitted in his presser that he is too hard on the guys sometimes which indicates to me that even he realizes the guys arent responding to it and he's lost/losing them. I think there is dissension in the locker room, he's handcuffing Chaney and unfortunately unless you have a hire like a Freeze, Meyer, etc we're just spinning our wheels in the mud for another year.
 
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There is talent on that offense at the skill position. Not the same talent as Georgia, Alabama, and Florida, but definitely good enough to compete with the lower half of the league. Is Chaney constrained and perhaps limited in his ability to call what he wants? Perhaps and that is our assumption knowing how CJP is handling every other aspect of managing his team. However, good OCs find a way to get the ball down the field. I think Chaney was a decent OC, not a great OC as everyone wants to believe, at one time. The game has passed him by. It's an offensive-driven league now (per Saban) and Chaney's offense takes way too long for a play to develop. We do not have a good enough offensive line to ask a young QB to try to make deep reads and throw the ball 30-40 yards downfield. Too many collapsed pockets and sacks. Its a good way to get a young QB hurt.
 
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Unfortunately, he's only got one more game to prove it and it's against the worst team in Power 5. He may have to score 50 to keep from being Pruitt's scapegoat.
 
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Your “insider” may not be as “inside” as he makes himself/herself out to be. If you read the body of what I wrote it’s all true and based on actual events that took place just last year. If JG was Chaney’s guy then why was he so much more aggressive with Maurer and so conservative with JG? There’s only two reasons to be conservative on offense in today’s game. 1) You’re stuck in yesteryear and too stubborn to realize the game has evolved. In which case you wouldn’t be coaching in today’s game at all. Or 2) You don’t trust your qb to play in today’s level of play. I vote the latter.
I don't have an 'insider'--I wrote that I read where someone said 'insiders say...'. Now, maybe this/these insiders are full of crap, but I highlighted in your post where you made several suppositions to come to your conclusions. Unless you're an 'insider', then you're just making crap up. BTW, the 'insiders' I read about were alluded to on Basilio's blog. I'm sure there are many differing opinions about the veracity of his info, but compared to your conclusions, they may be ok.
 
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