For everyone who just loves to only blame coaches for everything

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I know there are many of you out there who are frustrated like I am. Pissed even. And there is blame to go around. While Pruitt definitely deserves his fair share, it is just flat out wrong to blame him for everything. Using the oh well he is the head man so everything falls on him just doesnt work. And here is the proof. Now if this was just me talking, it would be easy to ignore. However, here is Shannon Sharpe. A multiple SB winning Hall of Fame tight end breaking it down. Basically coaches can only do so much and then players have to do their part. Start at about the 1:30 mark.



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Video unavailable. There is no “I” in team. That includes UT administration, Fulmer, all the way down to the groundskeepers and trainers. In priority order of importance, my opinion, is 1) underlying financial, facilities, and academics programs, 2) coaching staff, and the impact of previous coaching staffs (JG was a Butch project), 3 recruiting ( five star will beat 3 stars), and finally the passion and desire of the team to do their jobs/roles better than their opponents do theirs. I’m giving Fulmer and Pruitt a couple more years. We all know where the revolving coaches door hits UT in the butt/wallet.
 
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I know there are many of you out there who are frustrated like I am. Pissed even. And there is blame to go around. While Pruitt definitely deserves his fair share, it is just flat out wrong to blame him for everything. Using the oh well he is the head man so everything falls on him just doesnt work. And here is the proof. Now if this was just me talking, it would be easy to ignore. However, here is Shannon Sharpe. A multiple SB winning Hall of Fame tight end breaking it down. Basically coaches can only do so much and then players have to do their part. Start at about the 1:30 mark.


The thing is we know who the primary issue is on this team, EVERYONE in the country sees it but the head coach keeps putting him out there
 
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I know there are many of you out there who are frustrated like I am. Pissed even. And there is blame to go around. While Pruitt definitely deserves his fair share, it is just flat out wrong to blame him for everything. Using the oh well he is the head man so everything falls on him just doesnt work. And here is the proof. Now if this was just me talking, it would be easy to ignore. However, here is Shannon Sharpe. A multiple SB winning Hall of Fame tight end breaking it down. Basically coaches can only do so much and then players have to do their part. Start at about the 1:30 mark.



Dooley used to say “we called the right plays and formations.....the players just didn’t execute”

How did that work out for him?
 
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I've been in situations, leadership situations, where there was no winning formula. All I could do was minimize the negative. Fighting for a neutral result. The absolute best possible outcome. If I'd served 26 years in the Hollywood version of the military, there would have been some magical formula each time things got desperate, some one-in-a-thousand miracle finish. But I didn't work for Hollywood, didn't have their scriptwriters.

I only mention this because some folks with no experience in a particular field, whether the military or professional / college sports, may be forgiven for thinking there's "always a way if you are good enough and work hard enough." That's their education via the movie theater. And that's a bad education. Sometimes there's just no good option.

And yes, bad or neutral outcomes are always on the leader. Buck stops here. Command responsibility. Lonely at the top. All true.

And yet, if you really want to understand what happened, you're going to have to push beyond that simplistic view, and see which specific parts failed, and in what ways.

I assure you, on a team of 100 lads with 11 coaches, when something fails, it will be because there are multiple specific points of failure. One bad piece, even if it's the key piece (head coach, QB, whatever you pick as the key) even the key piece can not alone cause a meltdown of the sort we saw in 2nd half of the UGa game or throughout the Kentucky match. That kind of outcome is invariably the result of multiple points of failure.

I personally believe it started--both weeks, both games--in three or four places: quarterback, offensive line (including TEs and RBs when given blocking/protection roles), and offensive coordinator. Perhaps receivers as well. Could be four places. Which came first? Or did they all fail more or less simultaneously? Impossible for us outsiders to know. But almost for sure, all three or four of those elements broke down at roughly the same time, both weeks. And then, like a house of cards, the rest came apart, ultimately even the defense (which is the strongest part of the team). Even the defense failed toward the end. Lads were giving up. Even on the defense.

So is all that on the head coach? Maybe. Certainly, he has command responsibility, but maybe it is actually something he directly did or failed to do. Then again, maybe not. We outsiders can't know for sure.

Absolutely, the responsibility for fixing whatever failed (every part of whatever failed, however many parts there are) that responsibility rests with the head coach. He drives the leadership team, the other coaches, to get fixes going. He has to have the vision to show them a new and better destination.

But it might be true that, at the point of failure, Jeremy Pruitt simply didn't have any winning hand to play. He may have been stuck, at that point.

*shrug* We are outsiders, looking in. Yes, we're all Volunteers, loyal fans, but we're still outside the day-to-day of the team. We have no idea what happens 164 of the 168 hours in each week. We don't know hardly anything. Almost nothing. We can only see outcomes, on the field, for a few hours. And then it goes dark again on us.

So I"m gonna hope Jeremy's the right head coach to figure this out and find a good path forward, toward the kind of football he and we want Tennessee to play. I'm gonna hope he has assistant coaches who are able to be part of forging that path. I'm gonna hope he has mostly the right players to take that path.

There's nothing else I can do. Just gotta hope for the best. And give them support as they try.

Go Vols!
 
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It appears by posts on here that the general fan perspective is when things go wrong you either blame the QB, the HC or both. Probably been way since FB was invented. And most of the time neither deserve total blame or praise.

Coaches deserve a ton of blame. But so do the players. I have always said this. These guys are not first time players. I would be willing to bet virtually every scholarship football player we have has been playing football maybe 10+ before they got here. So they know how to play.
 
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I know there are many of you out there who are frustrated like I am. Pissed even. And there is blame to go around. While Pruitt definitely deserves his fair share, it is just flat out wrong to blame him for everything. Using the oh well he is the head man so everything falls on him just doesnt work. And here is the proof. Now if this was just me talking, it would be easy to ignore. However, here is Shannon Sharpe. A multiple SB winning Hall of Fame tight end breaking it down. Basically coaches can only do so much and then players have to do their part. Start at about the 1:30 mark.


Your analysis is ridiculous!
 
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I've been in situations, leadership situations, where there was no winning formula. All I could do was minimize the negative. Fighting for a neutral result. The absolute best possible outcome. If I'd served 26 years in the Hollywood version of the military, there would have been some magical formula each time things got desperate, some one-in-a-thousand miracle finish. But I didn't work for Hollywood, didn't have their scriptwriters.

I only mention this because some folks with no experience in a particular field, whether the military or professional / college sports, may be forgiven for thinking there's "always a way if you are good enough and work hard enough." That's their education via the movie theater. And that's a bad education. Sometimes there's just no good option.

And yes, bad or neutral outcomes are always on the leader. Buck stops here. Command responsibility. Lonely at the top. All true.

And yet, if you really want to understand what happened, you're going to have to push beyond that simplistic view, and see which specific parts failed, and in what ways.

I assure you, on a team of 100 lads with 11 coaches, when something fails, it will be because there are multiple specific points of failure. One bad piece, even if it's the key piece (head coach, QB, whatever you pick as the key) even the key piece can not alone cause a meltdown of the sort we saw in 2nd half of the UGa game or throughout the Kentucky match. That kind of outcome is invariably the result of multiple points of failure.

I personally believe it started--both weeks, both games--in three or four places: quarterback, offensive line (including TEs and RBs when given blocking/protection roles), and offensive coordinator. Perhaps receivers as well. Could be four places. Which came first? Or did they all fail more or less simultaneously? Impossible for us outsiders to know. But almost for sure, all three or four of those elements broke down at roughly the same time, both weeks. And then, like a house of cards, the rest came apart, ultimately even the defense (which is the strongest part of the team). Even the defense failed toward the end. Lads were giving up. Even on the defense.

So is all that on the head coach? Maybe. Certainly, he has command responsibility, but maybe it is actually something he directly did or failed to do. Then again, maybe not. We outsiders can't know for sure.

Absolutely, the responsibility for fixing whatever failed (every part of whatever failed, however many parts there are) that responsibility rests with the head coach. He drives the leadership team, the other coaches, to get fixes going. He has to have the vision to show them a new and better destination.

But it might be true that, at the point of failure, Jeremy Pruitt simply didn't have any winning hand to play. He may have been stuck, at that point.

*shrug* We are outsiders, looking in. Yes, we're all Volunteers, loyal fans, but we're still outside the day-to-day of the team. We have no idea what happens 164 of the 168 hours in each week. We don't know hardly anything. Almost nothing. We can only see outcomes, on the field, for a few hours. And then it goes dark again on us.

So I"m gonna hope Jeremy's the right head coach to figure this out and find a good path forward, toward the kind of football he and we want Tennessee to play. I'm gonna hope he has assistant coaches who are able to be part of forging that path. I'm gonna hope he has mostly the right players to take that path.

There's nothing else I can do. Just gotta hope for the best. And give them support as they try.

Go Vols!
👍 Moral of the story is, fans don’t know near as much as we think we do...
 
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In the college setting a head coach has virtually complete power over his program. More so than any other level of football. In high school you have 0 choice on who is at your school (other than certain programs who bend rules and recruit). In the NFL you have an owner and a general manager who heavily influences your roster. In college though, you have control of everything. Roster construction, practice reps, game plan etc. Therefore college coaches have a much bigger impact on their program than at any other level of football. If a player is doing something wrong repeatedly, that's a coaching issue. If a player cannot get any better, that's a coaching issue because he constructs the roster and evaluated and offered that player. Of course people are going to fail to execute on occasion, but the better the coach, the less likely it's a frequently repeating event. We see a lot of frequently repeating events this season. For example, terrible pass blocking is a theme, terrible QB play is a theme, the inability to stop or slow a basic slant route is a theme. When those kind of events keep repeating, game after game, it's a coaching issue.
 
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So Sharpe doesnt know what he is talking about but you do? Interesting. By all means give your articulate refutation to what he said.

At this level, the HC has 3 main responsibilities

a. Making sure he has the best assistants and infrastructure around him. Sometimes that involves making tough decisions. The OL has been an issue for 3 years under Will Friend. Per PFF, it has performed well below what you would expect given the talent along the line. Same thing with Weinke. This offseason we replaced two experienced assistants with guys that have never had P5 assistant experience, much less SEC assistant experience. The DL coach we just let go of had less of a resume than Rocker. In Y1, we had a first time head coach with 2 guys that did not have P5 coordinating experience.

b. Setting the culture of the program. A team plays like they are coached. Butch was soft so our team was soft. It's concerning that in more than 10% of the games in the first 2.5 years (all against lower level SEC teams), this team has rolled over and quit.

c. Ensuring team is prepared for game and ensuring coordinators make adjustments at halftime. This is still an issue halfway through Y3. It happens against teams worse than us (USC), better than us (UGA), and teams that will be similar to us (UK). Year after year, game after game - this has existed.
 
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In three years, when have Pruitt's teams had an effort problem? Basically never. I'm not willing to take the second half of one game and say the team has no character.

Mizzou and Vandy in 2018. Last week against UK.

Back over a decade ago, I helped a friend of mine breakdown video for a high school in the Memphis area (I had some experience as assistant/coordinator on a volunteer basis for a couple of HS in the Memphis area so I was giving him another set of eyes). This school had a proud tradition but had a coaching change and the players obviously did not buy in. You could tell the players had checked out and quit on the coach. I saw those same exact looks in the 3 games I mentioned as well as much of November 2017.
 
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In three years, when have Pruitt's teams had an effort problem? Basically never. I'm not willing to take the second half of one game and say the team has no character.

Me neither but they did not play up to their ability Saturday. Putting all the blame on Pruitt for Saturday is wrong.
 
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Coaches deserve a ton of blame. But so do the players. I have always said this. These guys are not first time players. I would be willing to bet virtually every scholarship football player we have has been playing football maybe 10+ before they got here. So they know how to play.
Very well stated, and I concur. Nothing else that I as a fan can do.

As a side note, did anyone else get the feeling that the offense seemed to perform better once HB came in. I know CJP said they only ran a few plays that HB knew. Maybe it was the simplicity of the plays. But it appeared that they played differently. Meaning are they not playing as hard for JG?
 
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I blame the coaches for not recognizing JGs weaknesses by now and coaching around them. Don't let him think, quick passes, quick reads or throw the ball away. What made Cut such a good QB coach was that. How many times did Payton, Eli, Ainge, Tee make their reads and just get rid of the ball? How many plays, if you watch his QBs over the years. You will see them make their reads and throw it away. JG makes the reads, then tries to make a play....just throw it out of bounds...thats all he needs to do. Drives me crazy watching it. I am yelling at the TV....get rid of the ball...just get rid of the ball!!
 
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