For All of the 9-10 Wins is Good Enough Folks

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The 2012 Vols easily could have won 9 games if they caught breaks--but they ended up 5-7. Are you going to tell me that was a good team, headed in the right direction?

Did the coaching staff have things under control when Vandy spanked them 41-18?

Even if win 9-10 games this year, all is not well and on the right track.
 
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I don't know any fan who has said 9-10 wins is good enough....forever. Obviously we want to be competing for championships and be relevant every year. Most of us are saying with the way this season has gone, with massive injuries especially, if we can still get to 9 or 10 wins, it's still progress and no reason to be panicking and lighting torches. We all had higher expectations for this season, but things don't always work out the way you plan. I still believe we are a 1 loss team right now without all of the injuries.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
The 2012 Vols easily could have won 9 games if they caught breaks--but they ended up 5-7. Are you going to tell me that was a good team, headed in the right direction?

Did the coaching staff have things under control when Vandy spanked them 41-18?

Even if win 9-10 games this year, all is not well and on the right track.
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I love these "IF that had happened and IF this had happened" arguments
 
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For all the "I just found something in my butt. Let's make a thread about it" folks.
 
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Butch may or may not get us there, only time will tell. Next season with a new AD in place, might be the defining chapter of his time at UT, but anyone that expects a run at a championship next season is gonna be very disappointed again I'm afraid. The finish to this season, and what happens in the off season will give us all a good idea about what to expect next year. If he fails, he fails and we start over, but we have no choice but to let this season play out. Another loss this year, and I think it's pretty clear, but win out and make some changes in staff and I think we are still on the right track. No one would have given us 9 wins at the beginning of the season with the team we are forced to put on the field now.
 
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The w/l is not the full metric of a team's progress through the season. Look at our stats. Look at how we have played against lesser competition, equal competition, better competition.

Good teams, that are well-coached, do not have first halfs, in every game, the way that team 120 has had this season. They don't need overtime, a bad chipshot field goal, and a miracle fumble recovery to beat a Sunbelt team in their season opener.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
The 2012 Vols easily could have won 9 games if they caught breaks--but they ended up 5-7. Are you going to tell me that was a good team, headed in the right direction?

Did the coaching staff have things under control when Vandy spanked them 41-18?

Even if win 9-10 games this year, all is not well and on the right track.
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I dont think people think its ok, but I will take 10 wins vs 5-7 wins. We all want 15 wins, but when you look at what Butch took over there has been improvement every year. 70% of starters have missed games because of injury. Every year we have one more games over the past 3/4. We had a JV roster 3 years ago. We were set to take the east and had two top 10 west teams on the schedule. West teams that are well ahead of us depth wise. The east is the west of the 90's. removing butch would push us back another 4/5 years. there needs to be some staff changes
 
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Beard--that is an excellent point...the opening game we weren't ravaged by injuries yet, but still underperformed.

Volpj--2016 team hasn't yet either.
 
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1allvol said:
I don't know any fan who has said 9-10 wins is good enough....forever. Obviously we want to be competing for championships and be relevant every year. Most of us are saying with the way this season has gone, with massive injuries especially, if we can still get to 9 or 10 wins, it's still progress and no reason to be panicking and lighting torches. We all had higher expectations for this season, but things don't always work out the way you plan. I still believe we are a 1 loss team right now without all of the injuries.
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Turnovers, not injuries, costed us SC and TAM game....
 
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Ole Miss 3-5 fan base is throwing a party in the grove........Tennessee 5-3 shooting cannons at Vol Navy........ C'mon volnation stay the course. Butch is the man....with the plan....
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
The 2012 Vols easily could have won 9 games if they caught breaks--but they ended up 5-7. Are you going to tell me that was a good team, headed in the right direction?

Did the coaching staff have things under control when Vandy spanked them 41-18?

Even if win 9-10 games this year, all is not well and on the right track.
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When I was much, much younger, I would listen to U.T. games on the radio. When I joined the Marines, I was out of pocket for 10 years. I remember seeing one game the entire 10 years that I was in the Marines and that WAS THE game against Colorado in which it ended in a tie. I was stationed in Japan at the time.
When I got out of the Marines in 1992, I started watching U.T. every Saturday during the season.
My standard was for us to win 8 games and go to a bowl game.
I was super disappointed when we lost to S.E.C. new comers USC & Arkansas in 1992. So, the disappointment has always been there.
I am still content with an 8 or 9 game winning season and a victory in a bowl game. OF course, it would be nice every once in a while to have an SECCG appearance or an SECCG victory.
 
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Our historical win percentage is .680...so other than by exception, we should be an 8-9 win team. We had a outlier period with having a HOF like Peyton on our roster. I think everyone looks at Bama right now or OSU and says, "why cant we do that?" Look at the top winningest programs ahead of us: Michigan, ND, Ohio St, OU, Texas, USC, Nebraska, Penn St., save Bama and OU even half those schools have been down the last 5-10 years. So not as much as UT. We should not expect undefeated or one to two loss season every year. Just look at it like this, these past 10 years, brought us back to average after the heydays of the 90's.
 
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9 wins is only disappointing because of...

A. Style points. They arent as impressive as people would like yo see and therefore it doesnt look like they are playing to potential.

B. They may not win the East and it is generally accepted that the East sucks
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
The 2012 Vols easily could have won 9 games if they caught breaks--but they ended up 5-7. Are you going to tell me that was a good team, headed in the right direction?

Did the coaching staff have things under control when Vandy spanked them 41-18?

Even if win 9-10 games this year, all is not well and on the right track.
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The logic behind this is terrible. Consider schooling.
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
turnovers certainly played a part however
A&M doesnt score 40 on our starting D

South Carolina doesnt score 21
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We fumbled away 14 points. Both of which, Dobbs tried to scoop and run instead of falling on the ball. Which would have been a first down anyway. And A&M has been scoring all season long.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The w/l is not the full metric of a team's progress through the season. Look at our stats. Look at how we have played against lesser competition, equal competition, better competition.

Good teams, that are well-coached, do not have first halfs, in every game, the way that team 120 has had this season. They don't need overtime, a bad chipshot field goal, and a miracle fumble recovery to beat a Sunbelt team in their season opener.
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Nor do they lose to them or AAC teams....and some on here were / are all about Mullen and Freeze...and still seem to think they would be better at UT.

USC loss this year is inexcusable; there are chinks in CBJ's armor for sure...but this one, like Arkansas last year, is more on execution than coaching...JMHO
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
The 2012 Vols easily could have won 9 games if they caught breaks--but they ended up 5-7. Are you going to tell me that was a good team, headed in the right direction?

Did the coaching staff have things under control when Vandy spanked them 41-18?

Even if win 9-10 games this year, all is not well and on the right track.
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Were fine, get back to work!
 
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99gator said:
9 wins is only disappointing because of...

A. Style points. They arent as impressive as people would like yo see and therefore it doesnt look like they are playing to potential.

B. They may not win the East and it is generally accepted that the East sucks
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The East sucks but who else has lost 18 starters to injury, two that thinks a football team is all about them and one cheech and chong?
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
The 2012 Vols easily could have won 9 games if they caught breaks--but they ended up 5-7. Are you going to tell me that was a good team, headed in the right direction?

Did the coaching staff have things under control when Vandy spanked them 41-18?

Even if win 9-10 games this year, all is not well and on the right track.
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The funny things is that this program has not even averaged 9 wins per season over its entire existence. (The all-time win percentage is .679, and if you multiply that by 13 games you get 8.8 wins.) Yet, here is The Tall Guy claiming that even a 10-win season isn't good enough in Year 4 of a complete rebuild of a program that has actually averaged 6.8 wins over the previous 10 full seasons. Even the great Messiah to many, Kiffin, had exactly 7 wins in his only season. Get a grip.

I want to win championships, too. But you are delusional if you don't expect some bumps along the way. Even Fulmer had some 8-4 seasons in the late 90s and early 00s.

A 10-win season is a very good season in any season.
 
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EZE said:
The funny things is that this program has not even averaged 9 wins per season over its entire existence. (The all-time win percentage is .679, and if you multiply that by 13 games you get 8.8 wins.) Yet, here is The Tall Guy claiming that even a 10-win season isn't good enough in Year 4 of a complete rebuild of a program that has actually averaged 6.8 wins over the previous 10 full seasons. Even the great Messiah to many, Kiffin, had exactly 7 wins in his only season. Get a grip.

I want to win championships, too. But you are delusional if you don't expect some bumps along the way. Even Fulmer had some 8-4 seasons in the late 90s and early 00s.

A 10-win season is a very good season in any season.
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10 wins with no division title is not a very good season, as said by our Coach. Butch has said for the past two years that year 4 would be the one where he would have the team playing championship football... This season has been a failure by the Head Coach's own words.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Our historical win percentage is .680...so other than by exception, we should be an 8-9 win team. We had a outlier period with having a HOF like Peyton on our roster. I think everyone looks at Bama right now or OSU and says, "why cant we do that?" Look at the top winningest programs ahead of us: Michigan, ND, Ohio St, OU, Texas, USC, Nebraska, Penn St., save Bama and OU even half those schools have been down the last 5-10 years. So not as much as UT. We should not expect undefeated or one to two loss season every year. Just look at it like this, these past 10 years, brought us back to average after the heydays of the 90's.
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Past performances should never be future predictors. Not in investments nor in football.
 
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