Fla, Michigan decision reached

#2
#2
This is kind of silly to me...your votes will count..but only half as much per person as the other states.....

I know they didn't follow the rules, but it is a little hard for me to justify punishing the democratic citizens because of a democratic party gaffe.

Oh well...it's done...probably....
 
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TennTradition said:
This is kind of silly to me...your votes will count..but only half as much per person as the other states.....

I know they didn't follow the rules, but it is a little hard for me to justify the democratic citizens because of a democratic party gaffe.

Oh well...it's done...probably....
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I can't believe I'm taking up for them, but I don't blame the dem voters for being angry... I understand why they decided to only count half, but at the same time it's wasn't the voters' fault.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I can't believe I'm taking up for them, but I don't blame the dem voters for being angry... I understand why they decided to only count half, but at the same time it's wasn't the voters' fault.
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Well, it's really nothing for you to feel weird about "defending"...fairness should extend beyond party lines...you're doing the right thing (remember - I'm the arbiter of fairness :) ).
 
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TennTradition said:
Well, it's really nothing for you to feel weird about "defending"...fairness should extend beyond party lines...you're doing the right thing (remember - I'm the arbiter of fairness :) ).
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Oh, I forgot, next time I'll run everything by you. :hi:
 
#9
#9
if the GOP can't take advantage of the way Howard Dean screwed MI and FL dems from the beginning, they don't deserve to win.
 
#10
#10
I watched a few minutes of the proceedings this morning. It was one of the most ridiculous exercises I can imagine.
 
#11
#11
MG1968 said:
if the GOP can't take advantage of the way Howard Dean screwed MI and FL dems from the beginning, they don't deserve to win.
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That's the same thing I was thinking. I think if wanted, they could, but you know the GOP these days so who knows.
 
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GAVol said:
I watched a few minutes of the proceedings this morning. It was one of the most ridiculous exercises I can imagine.
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I started to watch it also, but with about 2 and a half mins. of Howard Dean did it in for me.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
I started to watch it also, but with about 2 and a half mins. of Howard Dean did it in for me.
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I made a point to tune in so I could watch Harold Ickes try to talk without having his head explode. The Clintonians were desperately trying to change the rules without appearing as desperate as they truly are.
 
#18
#18
Somewhere there is a man with his mouth agape because Grandma went nuts on camera this time.
 
#21
#21
volinbham said:
Didn't the Republicans also give half-votes to states that violated party rules?
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Should the framers of the constitution be rolling over in their graves after hearing that factions can declare that someone's vote only counts 1/2?
 
#22
#22
hmanvolfan said:
Should the framers of the constitution be rolling over in their graves after hearing that factions can declare that someone's vote only counts 1/2?
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I think theywere the greatest collection of men ever, but the loons did say black men were worth 2/3 of a white man. Maybe they should remain on their backs in their tombs wrt fractions.
 
#23
#23
For my Democratic friends on the board, I want to know…..

During the 2000 election all I heard from Democrats was how every vote “must” count. They even went so far as to guess the intent of the voter (hanging chads, dimpled chads).

Yet they have set up a system in their own party where some delegates get half votes. In addition, if party officials do not like the results, they can override the will of the voters and select their own candidate via super delegates (party officials).

For my Democratic friends, how do you reconcile the contradiction?
 
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VolDad said:
For my Democratic friends on the board, I want to know…..

During the 2000 election all I heard from Democrats was how every vote “must” count. They even went so far as to guess the intent of the voter (hanging chads, dimpled chads).

Yet they have set up a system in their own party where some delegates get half votes. In addition, if party officials do not like the results, they can override the will of the voters and select their own candidate via super delegates (party officials).

For my Democratic friends, how do you reconcile the contradiction?
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This is pretty simple to answer, it's all about the rules. The rules of the 2000 election were that every vote would count in deciding a President. The voters in Florida and Michigan were told well ahead of time that their vote would not count. If before voting in the 2000 election Florida was told that their vote would not count than it would be a different story. Barrack Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, Hillary knew the rules before playing and many voters didn't show up thinking the vote wouldn't count. Would you go wait in line for an hour to vote for nothing? If you support Obama in Michigan would you go to the polls if his name were not on the ballot? To make my answer short, it's comparing apples to oranges.
 
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615 Vol said:
This is pretty simple to answer, it's all about the rules. ......
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Really, is it all about the rules….

In 2000 the rules were that butterfly ballots were acceptable, yet Democrats argued after the fact that they were not.

In 2000, the rules stated for a vote to count, the ballot had to be completely punched, yet Democrats argued after the fact that hanging and dimpled chads should count.

Why are rules so important now and not then?
 
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