Financial Mismanagement by UTAD..

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...has caused us to be in an exceptionally poor situation because we have done an execrable job hiring football coaches.

For those that don't know, Derek Dooley gets his last paycheck from UT here in December. Derek Dooley. He of the $5 million buyout ($104,000 per month). And that doesn't even include the money paid for other expenses of the Dooley Era, vaunted as it was. Here's an article on the numbers:Tennessee faces critical hire after firing Derek Dooley

Notice this part from the article:

Dooley's firing and the buyout that now kicks in only add to that financial burden. The numbers are staggering. Here's the breakdown of what Dooley has cost and will continue to cost UT for his three years of employment:

•$5.7 million — combined salaries over three years.
•$5 million — buyout for termination.
•$500,000 — amount UT paid to Louisiana Tech to buy out Dooley's previous contract.
•$286,782 — UT's payment to the IRS for withholding taxes on Dooley's contract with Louisiana Tech.
•$50,000 — bonus for making the 2010 Music City Bowl.
•$100,000 — payment for team's achieving satisfactory academic progress over two years.


That adds up to $11,636,782, or an average of $3,878,927.33 a year.

Think about it. Based on those numbers, Dooley is the sixth-highest paid college football coach in the nation this season. Only Nick Saban ($5.3 million), Mack Brown($5.25 million), Bob Stoops ($5.05 million), Les Miles ($4.15 million) and Urban Meyer($4 million) make more in compensation from their schools.

For those keeping score, the combined records of those five coaches this season is 46-7. Dooley's record is 4-7.

All told, UT paid $775,785.46 for each of Dooley's 15 victories over the last three seasons.


Meanwhile, our genius AD, decided, in possibly the grossest example of administration financial malfeasance in UT admin history, to extend Jones' contract last year a put a $10 million buyout in place because 9 wins out of 13 is some kind of Lombardi-esque accomplishment these days.

Now, though, we have a coach we don't want and doesn't want to be here. Yet, we can't afford the buyout and other schools aren't interested enough to fork over the considerable money to get him.

Again, it's the single stupidest thing I've ever seen done on the Hill in my over three decades as a UT fan and responsibility falls upon one person, Dave Hart. Thanks, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
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Your numbers are way off - for starters you completely left off the highest paid coach - harbaugh who makes like 9 million and Saban actually makes like 7 million not 5.3
 
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Your numbers are way off - for starters you completely left off the highest paid coach - harbaugh who makes like 9 million and Saban actually makes like 7 million not 5.3

The number in the article are from when Dooley was fired in 2012.
 
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Your numbers are way off - for starters you completely left off the highest paid coach - harbaugh who makes like 9 million and Saban actually makes like 7 million not 5.3

Those numbers were talking about Dooley's last year. Not this current season.
 
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...has caused us to be in an exceptionally poor situation because we have done an execrable job hiring football coaches.

For those that don't know, Derek Dooley gets his last paycheck from UT here in December. Derek Dooley. He of the $5 million buyout ($104,000 per month). And that doesn't even include the money paid for other expenses of the Dooley Era, vaunted as it was. Here's an article on the numbers:Tennessee faces critical hire after firing Derek Dooley

Notice this part from the article:

Dooley's firing and the buyout that now kicks in only add to that financial burden. The numbers are staggering. Here's the breakdown of what Dooley has cost and will continue to cost UT for his three years of employment:

•$5.7 million — combined salaries over three years.
•$5 million — buyout for termination.
•$500,000 — amount UT paid to Louisiana Tech to buy out Dooley's previous contract.
•$286,782 — UT's payment to the IRS for withholding taxes on Dooley's contract with Louisiana Tech.
•$50,000 — bonus for making the 2010 Music City Bowl.
•$100,000 — payment for team's achieving satisfactory academic progress over two years.


That adds up to $11,636,782, or an average of $3,878,927.33 a year.

Think about it. Based on those numbers, Dooley is the sixth-highest paid college football coach in the nation this season. Only Nick Saban ($5.3 million), Mack Brown($5.25 million), Bob Stoops ($5.05 million), Les Miles ($4.15 million) and Urban Meyer($4 million) make more in compensation from their schools.

For those keeping score, the combined records of those five coaches this season is 46-7. Dooley's record is 4-7.

All told, UT paid $775,785.46 for each of Dooley's 15 victories over the last three seasons.


Meanwhile, our genius AD, decided, in possibly the grossest example of administration financial malfeasance in UT admin history, to extend Jones' contract last year a put a $10 million buyout in place because 9 wins out of 13 is some kind of Lombardi-esque accomplishment these days.

Now, though, we have a coach we don't want and doesn't want to be here. Yet, we can't afford the buyout and other schools aren't interested enough to fork over the considerable money to get him.

Again, it's the single stupidest thing I've ever seen done on the Hill in my over three decades as a UT fan and responsibility falls upon one person, Dave Hart. Thanks, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Hart kept Dooley after he wanted to walk.
Hart hired lyle after less than two hours.
Hart extended lyle's contract based on results anyone could have achieved based on the level of talent on the roster.
Hart hired Tyndall knowing FULL WELL he had more baggage than a Kardasian on a world tour.
Hart hired a washed up Barnes.

He's incompetent, has hired incompetents, should have never been hired himself, and should be released immediately.

But prepare for "We ain't got no money!" and "Who ya gunna get?"
 
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I thought any salary he earned came out of the amount UT had to pay? Could be wrong, thought I read it when it was going on..
 
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I thought any salary he earned came out of the amount UT had to pay? Could be wrong, thought I read it when it was going on..

I believe you are right. Hard to believe he is making all that much as a position coach though.
 
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I can't wait until we get an AD that unites all of the big money people. I'd be willing to venture that Tennessee has as many big money people than any school in the nation and that we could make a significant coaching hire if all that money was united.
 
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This thread starters numbers are from 2012, not even remotely close. Please just take this thread down, totally inaccurate as far as the numbers are concerned. GBO!
 
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This thread starters numbers are from 2012, not even remotely close. Please just take this thread down, totally inaccurate as far as the numbers are concerned. GBO!

It's a demonstration of how badly this AD has managed the financial matters over the years, noting where we stood in 2012 and that it's actually worse four years later.
 
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I just don't get buyouts for failing at your job. None of us gets one.

That's because "us" are "at will" employees, for the most part, unless protected by come kind of collective bargaining agreement. College football head coaches are not. They are protected by their contracts that are negotiated by universities and the agents for the coaches.
 
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It's a demonstration of how badly this AD has managed the financial matters over the years, noting where we stood in 2012 and that it's actually worse four years later.

There is no doubt Dooley robbed us blind and that we were complicit. Numbers provided are sketchy (other coaches' extra amounts are not factored in for instance when you give Dooley a 6th ranking) and that is throwing people off. Would have been better just to leave it at the monthly buyout total and talked about how Dooley had been bleeding us. Point would have been just as strong.
 
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I just don't get buyouts for failing at your job. None of us gets one.

Buyouts in coaching contracts are relatively new so to speak. Big buyouts like the majority of coaches at major programs have now days were a rarity as recent as 10-15 years ago.

Presently speaking I consider these guaranteed buyouts to be unchecked escalation. The agents and coaches have the universities by the short hairs.

Eventually there is gonna have to be a university set precedent with performance stipulations to the buyouts. Someone joked in a recent thread that losing to Vandy voids the buyout, lol. After I chuckled I couldn't help but think that it actually wasn't too terrible an idea.

Which ever university makes Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer or whoever; the next highest paid coach really needs to work some performance clause and stipulation rates into the buyout.
 
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That's because "us" are "at will" employees, for the most part, unless protected by come kind of collective bargaining agreement. College football head coaches are not. They are protected by their contracts that are negotiated by universities and the agents for the coaches.

Buyouts are just a perk of being a highly sought after commodity (by normal standards). You have to offer them to be competitive.
 
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I just don't get buyouts for failing at your job. None of us gets one.

Some of us do, it's just called guaranteed severance.

Basically whenever a company tries to push a no compete clause (meaning if I leave for another company I can't hire any of their employees for X amount of time) I'm only in agreeance if they're willing to guarantee X months severance.
 
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I just don't get buyouts for failing at your job. None of us gets one.

There aren't a lot of people who are qualified to do what Lyle does. When the supply doesn't meet the demand, the price goes up. I mean...brotha gotta eat.
 
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This thread starters numbers are from 2012, not even remotely close. Please just take this thread down, totally inaccurate as far as the numbers are concerned. GBO!

keep the thread up and quit splitting hairs folks... the point is our AD and this Admin has done a terrible job with coaches recently and now the fans and the University are paying for it...
The worst part is everyone knowing "Lyle" doesn't even want to be here... yep "Lyle" for those folks who don't like it... I am a grad, a donor, and after what he has pulled this season I have the right to call him whatever I want....
Hopefully the coaching changes and a few surprises in recruiting save us next season because it is looking like it will be a bumpy ride.
 
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Every school looking for a head coach wants the " best available". And if you want a top tier coach, you have to pay what the market determines is the price for that coach. Unfortunately, the market now says a school must agree to some sort of buyout if you want to sign that coach. That's the way the market is currently working. It's difficult to fight the market.

So now we want to come on VolNation and complain!

Go figure.

P.S. None of the above applies to the previous AD. He had no clue what he was doing!
 
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Did I see where it's costing Texas $19 MILLION in the deal firing Strong & his assistants, plus hiring the new guy. Guess that's an example of agents negotiating coaches' contracts! :crazy:
 
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Hart kept Dooley after he wanted to walk.
Hart hired lyle after less than two hours.
Hart extended lyle's contract based on results anyone could have achieved based on the level of talent on the roster.
Hart hired Tyndall knowing FULL WELL he had more baggage than a Kardasian on a world tour.
Hart hired a washed up Barnes.
1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Wrong
4. Wrong
5. Wrong (No one in CBB coaching circles believes Barnes is washed up)
 
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Did I see where it's costing Texas $19 MILLION in the deal firing Strong & his assistants, plus hiring the new guy. Guess that's an example of agents negotiating coaches' contracts! :crazy:
It would probably cost something near that to fire Jones and hire someone else. But everyone here seems to think it's easier than paying someone to mow your lawn.
 
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