Fanbase WAKE UP!!!

[pharmDvol11]

Look at how we've won. Overtime fumble recovery App State. Down to the last 8 minutes of the game with Ohio. Needed VT to have fumblitus to pull of the win. Hail Mary to defeat GA.

Are there going to be games that a team plays poorly in? Sure. Are they going to play down to their competition occasionally? Yep. But what we have seen all season is an unprepared team that doesn't do well at the basics. We had a log of luck to not have five loses at the moment instead of three.

Player development, and game-day readiness, has been consistently poor throughout this season, and no matter how you try to cut it, that is 100% on coaching.

The East is in shambles this year, and is only going to improve next year, and if we see the same half-games next year, we'll not squeak by with as many wins.

Sure, even though we've been the most injured team in the SEC by a long shot, I'm not gonna say we've looked good this year. We have played consistently bad in games- particularly in the first half! We've played down to some weaker opponents- granted they are strong for their respective conferences but weak nonetheless.

Do I think Butch needs to make some personnel changes? He!! yeah I do! We can start with the OL coach, then the OC and then the S&C coach. We will have a lot of new leaders next year and a new AD. You don't just clean house and fire the whole staff. That would control + alt + delete the whole program back to square one.

I think the East is getting better as a whole. The East actually won the West matchups more this year which doesn't happen often. I think Smart has underperformed so far given the talent Richt left him and the recruiting class he brought in. McElwain again I think is in for a rude awakening (see: Muschamp). Neither one inherited a Dooley of a football team when they got there.

But were does that leave Butch for next year? That's really all that matters and I honestly don't know. Haven't really thought about it to be honest with you. As a coach, I don't know if he's the stepping stone to greatness or a coach for the record books himself. As for next year's team, I don't know if QD is as great as I think he could be at opening up the passing game. Or if John Kelly and our running backs can run thru this line that returns mostly intact. Idk if the injuries that have given like 90% of our roster some valuable game experience will pay off or not. Idk if Rain Man Shoop stays and our defense finally clicks or if he's buying some prime real estate in Delaware right now. In all likelihood if we don't change our S&C coach, this team in week one will look completely different by week 8.

But I know Lyle has succeeded a little bit more every year and for that he deserves a shot at running his program. Could I change my mind in 3 years? Yeah not because I was wrong NOW but because I have a brain! And right now even my average brain knows that when a coach improves his win total every year then that means I have to be a little patient. He'll be evaluated every year like all top programs evaluate their coaches. If you look at the top 10 programs in the country they all have had consecutive years of 8-10 wins at some point in the last 15-20 years. Some programs like UT have historically had to be patient. If every fanbase were as impatient there would be an NCAA Coaching Red Rover every year after the National Championship. That would be a mess. Butch isn't going anywhere for now as in the next 2-3 years unless something major happens. You can either be ok with that or you can start hoping that he loses so you can be right.

 

[SmokinBob]

What a coincidence then. I've never seen a reply like yours before.

VolNation Divide
Q1 million nega - Butch 2nd rate! posts
100K posi - Butch is still progressing posts

Nega vols still winning redundant attrition contest 10-1

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[BeardedVol]

Sure, even though we've been the most injured team in the SEC by a long shot, I'm not gonna say we've looked good this year. We have played consistently bad in games- particularly in the first half! We've played down to some weaker opponents- granted they are strong for their respective conferences but weak nonetheless.

Do I think Butch needs to make some personnel changes? He!! yeah I do! We can start with the OL coach, then the OC and then the S&C coach. We will have a lot of new leaders next year and a new AD. You don't just clean house and fire the whole staff. That would control + alt + delete the whole program back to square one.

I think the East is getting better as a whole. The East actually won the West matchups more this year which doesn't happen often. I think Smart has underperformed so far given the talent Richt left him and the recruiting class he brought in. McElwain again I think is in for a rude awakening (see: Muschamp). Neither one inherited a Dooley of a football team when they got there.

But were does that leave Butch for next year? That's really all that matters and I honestly don't know. Haven't really thought about it to be honest with you. As a coach, I don't know if he's the stepping stone to greatness or a coach for the record books himself. As for next year's team, I don't know if QD is as great as I think he could be at opening up the passing game. Or if John Kelly and our running backs can run thru this line that returns mostly intact. Idk if the injuries that have given like 90% of our roster some valuable game experience will pay off or not. Idk if Rain Man Shoop stays and our defense finally clicks or if he's buying some prime real estate in Delaware right now. In all likelihood if we don't change our S&C coach, this team in week one will look completely different by week 8.

But I know Lyle has succeeded a little bit more every year and for that he deserves a shot at running his program. Could I change my mind in 3 years? Yeah not because I was wrong NOW but because I have a brain! And right now even my average brain knows that when a coach improves his win total every year then that means I have to be a little patient. He'll be evaluated every year like all top programs evaluate their coaches. If you look at the top 10 programs in the country they all have had consecutive years of 8-10 wins at some point in the last 15-20 years. Some programs like UT have historically had to be patient. If every fanbase were as impatient there would be an NCAA Coaching Red Rover every year after the National Championship. That would be a mess. Butch isn't going anywhere for now as in the next 2-3 years unless something major happens. You can either be ok with that or you can start hoping that he loses so you can be right.

App State, VT, Ohio, and 3/4 of the Florida game performances had nothing to do with injuries.

I agree CBJ is here through 2017, and more than likely 2018, but what sort of team is left at that point when lack of development and regression surpass talent on the roster, that's when we'll end up back at square one.

 

[pharmDvol11]

App State, VT, Ohio, and 3/4 of the Florida game performances had nothing to do with injuries.

I agree CBJ is here through 2017, and more than likely 2018, but what sort of team is left at that point when lack of development and regression surpass talent on the roster, that's when we'll end up back at square one.

I agreed with you on the game performances. I feel you have misplaced a good bit of the blame onto Butch. He needs better coaches in certain areas of the game. Also the players didn't help him out at time but if you want to put that on coaching then that's fine. I'm saying though that Butch doesn't coach any specific group so the only thing he can be blamed for is the coach he chose. He was willing to part ways with Jancek. Maybe a new AD will come in and left him know he needs to make more changes.

And I'm not willing to take overly negative or positive outlook on the future. I'm still enjoying the prospects of going to the Sugar Bowl. But let's say if something were to happen in the next 2-3 years, I know Butch will have left the program better than the one he inherited. Anyway I hope we continue to compete for the SEC and we don't have to cross that bridge. You're doomsday argument of regression is relying on a lot of things to go wrong. I don't want that. Do you?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Look.....as an outsider.....the sense I get is after years of frustration the thought process is "when, oh when Lord, is it going to be our time".

So, the angst that I sense isn't about this season alone. It's about the future.

9 games were in the state of Tennessee. The only true road game among them is this week against Vandy, which we know isn't really a road game. It ain't Neyland, but it ain't hostile territory either.

There are people who think it's not going to be set up any better than this and if you can't do it now, it's never going to happen.

Now, if you think the talent level is continuing to improve and that the rest of the East isn't going to get better any time soon, you aren't really all that worked up.

If you think the talent level is about to dip after this season and that the rest of the East won't be this bad for much longer, you are highly concerned.

That's all this is.

JMO

Translated.....I got nothing new, just wanted to placate the masses.

 

[82_VOL_83]

1) CBJ isn't going anywhere after the season.
2) He has no help from the AD. Hasn't had help and isn't going to get any.
3) New AD isn't going to bring in a new Coach.
4) As long as there are butts in seats and donations coming in, CBJ isn't going anywhere.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Like I said in my thread, "It's the injuries, stupid!!"

 

[AllVolForLife_16]

You can't exclude games based solely on the pre-game lines. We should have lost the UF & the UGA games this year... you know why we didn't?? Because Coach Jones has instilled a fight in our players that hasn't been present in a really long time. We were down multiple touchdowns in this games & were down w/ only 4 seconds to go in the UGA game. A Dooley led team could go down by 3 points & they were outta the game. It takes time to go from a consistent 5 - 7 team (thanks a lot Dooley)... to a championship team... now sure you have your one year flash in the pan teams that do that here & there, but they aren't built for long term consistency. I'd much rather be consistent as hot one year & then a dumpster fire the next.

No, we shouldn't have lost to Florida or Georgia because our talent showed we were the better team on paper in both. Thankful for the wins, but shouldn't have had to make it a comeback or miracle finish.

This team has looked ill-prepared for much of the course of this season, and for whatever reason, just looked sluggish and unwilling to get going early on. It was troubling when we squeaked out a win against App State, and the trend continued up until the demoralizing South Carolina loss.

Again, I understand injuries make a difference, but the only game where it was glaringly obvious was against Alabama. A&M and South Carolina, we win both with proper execution and discipline that you would expect from a team comprised of players that have mostly been playing together for the past 3 years.

I appreciate Jones and all of his hard work he has put into making Tennessee a respectable football program again, I just don't believe he is championship material. Too many flaws in his game.

 

[OrangeInKy]

It was critical to start a thread with this hot take. Needed to make sure this revolutionary perspective gets attention. Countless opinions have been changed, no doubt.

 

[MemphisVol77]

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[MemphisVol77]

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You're right!

Edit - but just the idiots - we're not idiots right !?!

We all rode this bus together. Score not official in our orange - white scrimmage. There are no winners.

At least the fahr Butch crowd kept the windows licked clean.

 

[GVol1966]

Fanbase that signed a petition to get rid of a coach that got us to a sweet 16. All those same people who signed that petition are probably part of the faction of the fanbase that want Butch gone. Those same people will never be satisfied even if we go 11-1 next season, because we lost one game. My philosophy is either stick with your coaches and team or gtf out of here. I stick with coaches and players as long as they're giving their all and still performing well. This year was disappointing yes, but fire Butch if we go 10-3?? Wtf guys? Let me remind you guys 08-2013 5-7, 7-6, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7, 5-7 hmmm... 2014-2016 7-6, 9-4, and(if all goes accordingly)10-3 with about 15-20 starters or key subs injured. Y'all wanting to blow this all up and get back to .500 ball? I sure as hell don't.

Dooley supporter no doubt, because you stick with your coaches and team or get out right? And you're still here ,so you didn't get out!
And don't come back with "performing well" cause a lot don't think the team performed well much of the year.

And no we don't want .500. We want 11-1 instead of 8-3, and yeah we played a@m with many injuries but lost because healthy first team guys played careless undisciplined 7 fumble ball. So they were beatable with what we had available that day and SC certainly was beatable with what we had available that day but Butch couldn't get them focused even though the SEC east was ours, just win!