Fake Injuries...

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LadyVolette said:
I think should be a rule that MDs override’trainers’ (I’m not sure their credentials).. as a nurse, I can’t override the doctor, I can voice my concerns, but I can’t go rogue lol
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If you did he can’t fire you but the HC can make it hell on earth for a trainer if he doesent tow the line.
 
#52
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vols1071 said:
The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???
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Defensive injury, run out a different offensive package. Don’t let them re-group while the guy has his leg examined laying on the field. Either way, injuries (fake or real) disrupts the offensive flow. It just stinks teams will do that.
 
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vols1071 said:
The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???
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What new rule? The NCAA didn’t do anything other than to say the conferences can review it if coaches feel it was egregious. What the “penalty” would be is anybody’s guess. Translation: They kicked the can down the road and didn’t do squat. We will see it all year ad nauseum.
 
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#55
There has got to be a way you can use this to your advantage even without the NCAA getting involved. Our offense is built to play up tempo, so giving the offense a rest doesn’t really make sense in our case. But there has to be something we can do to take advantage of these liars and cheaters
 
#56
#56
May have already been stated in this thread, but at the very least you should only be able to sub in for the injured player and not anybody else at that time, and no huddles/meeting with coaches while the trainers are on the field
 
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vols1071 said:
The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???
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It's simple every time they do it we do it when we are on defense. I'd say if we did that then our defense will be well rested and ready to play in the 4th quarter.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
The last thing I want to see is another judgement call for officials to unevenly apply. Targeting alone should tell you all you need to know. If you make it a call you might have to go to video review. Make it a procedure and it is over in 15 seconds applied evenly every time. Worst case is a player gets a rest at the little tent behind the bench and his backup gets a few minutes.
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It's nothing like targeting, thats a part of the game. This call is easy to get right and once coaches see its going to cost them they will stop and the issue will disappear. Lets don't make this part of the game.
 
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VOLtaism said:
It's nothing like targeting, thats a part of the game. This call is easy to get right and once coaches see its going to cost them they will stop and the issue will disappear. Lets don't make this part of the game.
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Why complicate the solution with a judgment call when all you have to do is judge whether or not an injury timeout is awarded? Every once in a while there are real cramps and minor muscle pulls, etc. Just becuase they happen at a fishy time is not enough to throw a flag. You change the procedures to require a team to use a timeout, AND take away the advantages of unlimited substitutions during the stoppage of play while also requiring the individual going down to sit out for a significant amount of time and they will be cut way down. The really slimy guys like Kiffin my run in some designated injury guys, and we will have to live with it, but there is no way the NCAA is going to put Kreskin requirements on the officials. The tempo is lost but unavoidable whether procedurally fixed or a penalty is enforced.

The potential addition of adding back a down when the defense is involved or losing a down or a time runoff if for the offense under SOME defined conditions would for sure go even further in cutting down on the practice. Downs and timeouts and clock time are valued by every coach. Only have to add some language in the book to the injury timeout definition and leave all other rules in place. Here is what happens WHEN is always cleaner that here is what happens IF JUDGED.
 
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#61
let's see what happens to the ole miss time of possession and turnover ratio without being able to stop the clock, rest, sub fresh players in...
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Why complicate the solution with a judgment call when all you have to do is judge whether or not an injury timeout is awarded? Every once in a while there are real cramps and minor muscle pulls, etc. Just becuase they happen at a fishy time is not enough to throw a flag. You change the procedures to require a team to use a timeout, AND take away the advantages of unlimited substitutions during the stoppage of play while also requiring the individual going down to sit out for a significant amount of time and they will be cut way down. The really slimy guys like Kiffin my run in some designated injury guys, and we will have to live with it, but there is no way the NCAA is going to put Kreskin requirements on the officials. The tempo is lost but unavoidable whether procedurally fixed or a penalty is enforced.

The potential addition of adding back a down when the defense is involved or losing a down or a time runoff if for the offense under SOME defined conditions would for sure go even further in cutting down on the practice. Downs and timeouts and clock time are valued by every coach. Only have to add some language in the book to the injury timeout definition and leave all other rules in place. Here is what happens WHEN is always cleaner that here is what happens IF JUDGED.
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All that is very well worked out but my point is this should not be part of the game. The league should make a statement it will not be tolerated and penalize anyone they think is doing it. Stamp it out of the coaches playbook. The coaches are the ones who have opened themselves up for possible mistakes and reduced the serious nature of caring for an injured player by using it as a tool. The players, fans and the league should not have to tolerate this behavior from coaches.
 
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VOLtaism said:
All that is very well worked out but my point is this should not be part of the game. The league should make a statement it will not be tolerated and penalize anyone they think is doing it. Stamp it out of the coaches playbook. The coaches are the ones who have opened themselves up for possible mistakes and reduced the serious nature of caring for an injured player by using it as a tool. The players, fans and the league should not have to tolerate this behavior from coaches.
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VOLtaism said:
All that is very well worked out but my point is this should not be part of the game. The league should make a statement it will not be tolerated and penalize anyone they think is doing it. Stamp it out of the coaches playbook. The coaches are the ones who have opened themselves up for possible mistakes and reduced the serious nature of caring for an injured player by using it as a tool. The players, fans and the league should not have to tolerate this behavior from coaches.
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Eliminate the advantages and maybe incorporate some costs like timeouts and downs and the risk/reward for those acts will do the rest.
 
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#64
The only fix is for players to sit more than 1 snap out. The whole argument of the players playing injured is BS. Hell you have coaches yelling at kids to fall down and fake an injury. At bare minimum it should be a delay of game when the coach is blatantly yelling at the kid to fall down.
 
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PC Jr. said:
Defensive injury, run out a different offensive package. Don’t let them re-group while the guy has his leg examined laying on the field. Either way, injuries (fake or real) disrupts the offensive flow. It just stinks teams will do that.
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Then we should do it too, whenever an opposing offense gets in a rythym against our defense. Do it 2 or 3 plays in a row and watch them squeal.
 
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It’ll impact the teams they want it to. No real-time ruling means they get to pick and choose who gets punished… after the game is decided.
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
The only fix is for players to sit more than 1 snap out. The whole argument of the players playing injured is BS. Hell you have coaches yelling at kids to fall down and fake an injury. At bare minimum it should be a delay of game when the coach is blatantly yelling at the kid to fall down.
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I’d like to see the player kept out for at minimum the entire series, but I think even an entire quarter would be reasonable.
 
#68
#68
If it happens at Neyland we should play a video of a fainting goat on the jumbotrons. Also maybe put all the obvious fakes into a video and play it late in the 4th qtr.
 
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Elhanan said:
I’d like to see the player kept out for at minimum the entire series, but I think even an entire quarter would be reasonable.
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That sees a little excessive. Does something need done? Heck yeah. I think the only way to really enforce something would be with a delay of game penalty. In some instances it would be better to just eat 5 yards and slow the momentum. Although keeping a kid off the field for more than a set of downs is unrealistic.
 
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TNnative said:
However? If the info is from John Adams? Give a warning, so I do not click on that twits stuff.
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John Adams is that bleary eyed guy at the end of the bar nursing a beer while hoping somebody will buy him his next one for bloviating about his former self percieved glory in football "journalism."
 
#72
#72
If a player goes down and comes back in during before change of possession charge the team with a timeout.
 
#73
#73
If a player goes down and comes back in before change of possision charge the team with a timeout.
 
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